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code-frog wrote: So far today no posts in the lounge would need any approval and nobody would need to have been email notified.
As I am sure Chris knows, these things tend to happen in "surges". Forum moderation is easy 90% of the time, with almost no effort, then that last 10% can just zap hours at a time. All it takes is one persistant and particularly nasty troll to REALLY discourage a moderator by destroying his time for the day. Then you have fewer people to help. Forum moderation is generally a low turn-over, but continuous turn-over.
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Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau.
Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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A nasty troll would be nasty for anyone. Right now someone has to:
A. Be notified of a bad post.
B. Go find it.
C. Delete it. Which may cause thread/message problems.
My solution would be simple. "Approve" with a click or "Flag" with a click. At this point nobody has seen the message to be able to reply to it including the troll. They don't have a clue what's going on behind the scenes they just know their message hasn't appeared. They can try again and again. The net result is that while I'm there I click the "Flag" 5 times instead of 1 time. A moderator comes by later and simply kills the posts before anything happens to cause thread / message problems or anything else. My guess is that it would nix programming questions to.
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code-frog wrote: My solution would be simple.
I am not disagreeing in principle, the concept is good. I just think you are being a bit optimistic in saying it would be "simple" "easy" etc. It will be realy easy 9 out of 10 days and be a royal pain in the ... err ... neck on the 10th. 
It is a reasonable idea, I just think that labeling it as "easy" would give the approval-volunteers an unreasonable expectation. The 90/10 or 80/20 rule still applies depending on if you are optimistic or pessimistic.
All in all it is up to the CP programmers still to build-in the approval and hide-message system which would be some work behind the scenes. Then find some volunteers to handle the approval system.
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Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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I have to agree about the 90/10 rule cropping it's head here. In another forum we have an ongoing problem with a persistant troll who manages to avoid ISP bans every few weeks. The current software makes setting a new one easy enough, but that person is a continual headache for the moderators.
Fortunately he's not technically literate enough to use something like Tor to continually spoof his IP.
Edit: Hit post too soon.
Also related to the 90/10 issue, most of the time the moderators burden is fairly low, but once or twice a year there's a major blowup over something that turns contentious enough that one or more moderators end up resigning rather than repeating the experiance.
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Rules of thumb should not be taken for the whole hand.
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Approvers are not moderators. So selecting approvers wouldn't require as much care. All they can do is approve a message or promote it to a moderators attention.
Approvers can only "Approve" releasing the message to the public or "Flag" for further evaluation by moderators who would have to look at it anyway if it was Spam or Abuse.
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why only the Lounge ?
the guy i shown off spammed only articles message boards
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If the idea has merit and people like it then Chris can do it wherever he wants. The lounge would be a good proving ground. If it's manageable in the lounge then it would be very manageable anywhere else as the lounge is definitely the hotbed for this stuff.
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On forums other that the Lounge some people might want a quick reply, and putting the delay just causes a bad impression/unnecessary inconvenience to the poster. It is quite likely the person will not come back.
Also there will be timezone issues, so there might be sufficient volunteers during US/European/Australian day, but Asian posters might have to wait a few hours before their posts show up.
As a general rule, it is advisable
not to volunteer for anything that requires more than a constant time.
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Basically there is a default flag for new users and a flag for any user that breaks the rules. This flag is "Probation" if you are a new user your first 100 posts have to be approved. If you pass the 100 post rule without getting any rejected you are in. You stay on probation though until you have 100 with no problems.
If you are a current member and you have been reported as "Abuse / Spam" on 3 separate occurrences by 3 or more people you are now on "Probation" and either an admin or a stored procedure could do this.
The only posts needing approval would be those by "New Members" or "Probate Members" and only in the lounge. So you have to understand we might be talking about 20 messages or so a week total. There would be almost no burden at all to "approvers".
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I would rather people are considered innocent until proven guilty. Their probation flag is set to false until they mess up (regardless of how many posts). Then their posts need approval for the next N posts
And then they just create a new account.
Nah. I like new people coming to CodeProject and giving us their 2c. I don't want people having to make an investment in us so that we get the benefit of their (potentially breif) company as they breeze on through our part of town.
cheers,
Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
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I happen to agree with this, and I for one wouldn't want to have to monitor the first 100 posts of every new visitor. There's millions of them. 
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The best troll management is to simply not reply to them. They will soon get bored. The resident trolls are probably reading this thread right now and laughing their fool heads off. They got another one.
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PJ Arends wrote: The best troll management is to simply not reply to them. They will soon get bored. The resident trolls are probably reading this thread right now and laughing their fool heads off. They got another one.
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So true.
Just try to imagine the agony of a troll who spent some time to think of a mischief, created a new thread and then keeps refreshing the page waiting for replies but not one arrives.;P
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why don't we put request delete and mark as troll
if a user posted a matter not acceptable for lounge any body can request delete to the message poster with it all subsequent messages should be deleted
and a user is continuously getting that and not deleting his posts then admins can mark him as troll and that member will not be able to post message in that particular forum for a period of time which will increase on repetition
It is Good to be Important but!
it is more Important to be Good
[My Question]
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I just posted an article[^] about Windows Workflow Foundation but there wasn't a WF category to put it into. Might you please add that category and then put my article into it? I'd appreciate it.
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Done[^]
cheers,
Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
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Thanks Chris. I think that the new category is misplaced, though. WF is part of .NET 3.0 -- so it should be a sub-category under the "Vista / .NET 3.0" category, like WPF and WCF are. Agreed?
Thanks again!
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I'm confused. When I view My Articles[^], the edited WPF articles appear in a sub-section of the Vista / .NET 3.0 category. But my WF article appears separately. Why is that? 
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Because we haven't moved your WPF articles to the newly (less than 2hrs old) WPF section 
[Edit: Now they've been moved]
-- modified at 17:00 Tuesday 14th November, 2006
cheers,
Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
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Oh. 
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I wonder if this option could be set as on or off by default in your profile might be desirable to other members here.
Now I can understand it being on by default for postings concerning an article that one might submit. But I wouldn't mind if I didn't always have to uncheck it for a forum post/reply.
Oh well just something that has been on my mind of late
Laterz...
It's all good man, it's all good...
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Yeah, good point.
cheers,
Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
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As an extra point just think of how much processor time you can save
It's all good man, it's all good...
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