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Nope, not until you mentioned it.
"Any sort of work in VB6 is bound to provide several WTF moments." - Christian Graus
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Mr Google[^] has. It's amazing what he knows about.
Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.
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If the client wants "experience" with latest version of software tool is he really getting a better deal if the "new version is easier to use" than the older one?
Would a person experienced with the "bad, older" version be a better worker with the new, easy to use one?
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It all depends on how far from the Agonic Line you are when such experience was acquired.
"A good athlete is the result of a good and worthy opponent." - David Crow
"To have a respect for ourselves guides our morals; to have deference for others governs our manners." - Laurence Sterne
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Hi I am new to programming and struggled with the bit I have done. Please can you recommend any training courses or books that would help get to grips with programming?
Two Bob
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My first question would be what is it that you want to learn, what do you want to be the result from your learning? Is this programming for fun, do you want to write something you can sell, are you thinking of a career in programming?
Question number two:
Programming covers such a vast range - graphics, databases, encryption, text manipulation etc. What area are you interested in programming?
Question number three:
Which language VB, C#, Java, Transact-SQL...?
You always pass failure on the way to success.
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I'd like to learn to be able to compliment the web design I have done. So it is a mix of professional and personal.
So far I've done a bit of C++. Must admit I struggled with it. However that has given me an insentive to carry on with it and get better
Kind regards
Two Bob
Two Bob
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By all means carry on with C++ although something like VB is easier if you have progressed from web design.
I would say though that C++ is probably more marketable if this is the road you want to go down.
I read your profile and noticed you are doing a Business computing course - so I would also recommend that you become familiar with some form of SQL be it Microsoft or Oracle.
I can't recommend any books, as this does not tend to be the way I learn (I used books for reference mostly), what I usually do is decide on a project then execute the project using google and this web site. I don't give up until I have completed the project, it is a struggle but in the end you make it and along the way you learn a lot of new things.
In my opinion you have struck gold with this website as there is enough material for you to learn from beginner to advanced programming here.
One tip I would give you is get a good solid understanding of OOP.
Inheritance, objects, methods, properties, overiding etc. as whichever language you learn nowadays the basis will almost certainly be be OOP. Not like the good old days when I was programming COBOL.
In fact IMHO if you understand OOP it is just a case of picking a language you are comfortable with.
To use a nerdy metaphor if you learn to use the force(OOP) the light sabre(programming language) will flow...
You could try posting your question on the programming language message boards, on code project, as well - you will get a lot of opinions why c#, java etc are the best languages to learn. You should then be able to make a wiser decision.
Keep going and don't give in when things get tough with programming.
Most importantly enjoy programming.
Best wishes for your adventures in the world of programming.
Guy
-- modified at 15:43 Thursday 6th September, 2007
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Thank you Guy much appreciated
Must admit even though I struggled with it, I did enjoy it. Plus it might sound funny but it has given me the incentive to carry on with it.
I think I might try and combine VB with ASP.NET. I have enjoyed the web work I have done so this seems like a good continuation of that.
So I will get an example off this site and start with that.
Thank you for advice, it's nice to know you are there to ask questions.
Two Bob
Two Bob
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Glad to be of help,
I think that what many of us programmers enjoy is the challenges we meet in programming, so it sounds like you have what it takes
Regards
Guy
You always pass failure on the way to success.
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If you are new to programming, buy an introductory book on the language of your choice;
make sure it is rather recent and uses the tools you want to use. Then work your way through
it. Later on you may decide on studying a more specialized book on some more specific topic...
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Thank you!
Can you recommend a good book? I did a bit of C++ so would like to continue with that
Two Bob
Two Bob
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Sorry, I can't. I learned C# many years ago, I bought two books that both are no longer
up-to-date (due to C# 2.0). In general I feel book appreciation is very subjective,
it depends a lot on your prior knowledge and experience, and your preference for verbose
vs. strict description.
I tend to go to the book shop, look at say ten books on the subject and then buy the 1 or 2
that I like most (often one tutorial, one reference manual).
One more comment, I tend to reread the tutorial a couple of times, say with 1 year intervals.
A second/third pass through the book always reveals a few useful things that got lost
on the first pass.
Hope this helps.
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Thak you Luc much appreciated
I will take your advice and invest in a book or two. I have been recommend a Ms book so will go for that.
Two Bob
Two Bob
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The Step-by-Step books by Microsoft Press are quite good. If you are crossing from Web Design and want to write web applications and you've done some C++ then I'd recommend C#. VB.NET is also acceptable, but you'll probably find the syntax of C# to be easier to get to grips with after C++.
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Thank you Colin much appreciated.
I checked out the Step-by-Step books and I will invest in a book or two.
I have made my mind up in what direction I would like to go. Having done some web work, using straight forward HTML, I am going to continue with C and combine it with ASP.NET.
Thank you for your advice! It is nice to know that you are around to ask questions
Two Bob
Two Bob
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Two Bob wrote: I am going to continue with C and combine it with ASP.NET.
Don't you mean C#? There is a big difference between C and C#
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Colin Angus Mackay wrote: There is a big difference between C and C#
only half a tone (nine commas)
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Sorry yeah I mean C#
Two Bob
Two Bob
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Two Bob wrote: to continue with C and combine it with ASP.NET
Did you mean to continue with C# and combine it with ASP.NET?
or
ISAPI like DLL programming to extend the capabilities of ASP.NET?
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Sorry I meant combine C# with ASP.NET
Many thanks
Two Bob
Two Bob
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Marta Daglow
Stormfront Studios
4040 Civic Center Drive
San Rafael, CA
mdaglow@stormfront.com
www.stormfront.com
415-461-5845
Founded in 1988, Stormfront Studios is an award-winning developer of AAA games for Next Gen.
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Oops, dunce here didn't seek the place for posting. Sorry for the problem.
Marta
Marta Daglow
Stormfront Studios
4040 Civic Center Drive
San Rafael, CA
mdaglow@stormfront.com
www.stormfront.com
415-461-5845
Founded in 1988, Stormfront Studios is an award-winning developer of AAA games for Next Gen.
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