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Re: Starting young Anonymous8-Feb-04 13:19 Anonymous 8-Feb-04 13:19  If you don't think programming is fun, why do you do it? I assure you, it's entirely possible to enjoy being a child writing code. (Not that I didn't also play with Lego, et al.) Actually, with LOGO it was a bit like scribbling with crayons. here we go "10 - 15 years old" Daniel Fisher (lennybacon)5-Feb-04 8:21 Daniel Fisher (lennybacon) 5-Feb-04 8:21  this rocks # THIS CODE AND INFORMATION ARE PROVIDED # "AS IS" WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY # KIND, EITHER EXPRESSED OR IMPLIED, # INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE # IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY # AND/OR FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. # http://www.lennybacon.com/ school Bob Stanneveld5-Feb-04 0:49 Bob Stanneveld 5-Feb-04 0:49  When I was 14, we had to get an texas instruments TI-83. When I found out that you could program the thing, some games and bad results were the outcome . Soon I found it boring and started learning C/C++. Now I have 4 years of programming experiance with C/C++. When a friend came up with a very nice book about assembler, I started learning that. In colledge I also had to learn Object Pascal and Java. But for me C++ will always be my favorite! A student knows little about a lot. A professor knows a lot about little. I know everything about nothing. Re: school fabulous5-Feb-04 9:34 fabulous 5-Feb-04 9:34  Lucky you. I never did get my hands on any assembler literature no matter how hard I tried. Now there just isn't enough time to learn it. I like your signature text. I've seen a similar quote, can't remember who said it though: "An expert is someone who knows more and more about less and less until he knows absolutely everything about nothing" Let's make things simpler than possible. Re: school Bob Stanneveld5-Feb-04 10:24 Bob Stanneveld 5-Feb-04 10:24  Well, I don't remember when I got my signature , but I can know that I didn't got the inspiration from that similar sig. But it is a very nice one A student knows little about a lot. A professor knows a lot about little. I know everything about nothing. Re: school Alexander M.,5-Feb-04 10:32 Alexander M., 5-Feb-04 10:32  my school sucks... what they call "computer science" is nothing more than powerpoint and HTML... Don't try it, just do it! Re: school Hauptman(n)6-Feb-04 6:17 Hauptman(n) 6-Feb-04 6:17  jep the same at my school. we just learn about Office. Only in the higher classes they programm Turbo Pascal and vb but next school year i go to a school, specialised on programming scio me nihil scire My OpenSource(zlib/libpng License) Engine: http://sourceforge.net/projects/rendertech Its incurable, its a Pentium division failure. Re: school Alexander M.,6-Feb-04 6:28 Alexander M., 6-Feb-04 6:28  Cool, I don't know any school in Germany teaching programming School sucks and teaching everything yourself is the only "real" way to become a good coder. Don't expect too much from this new school, prolly you will soon be better than all your teachers if you spend your freetime on programming. Have Fun! Don't try it, just do it! Re: school Hauptman(n)6-Feb-04 6:36 Hauptman(n) 6-Feb-04 6:36  it's not in germany it's in austria(this is the little country under germany; between ~1200 and ~1915 austria was a world power like the US today; In the 1600s or so, austria was the empire, where the sun didn't rise) scio me nihil scire My OpenSource(zlib/libpng License) Engine: http://sourceforge.net/projects/rendertech Its incurable, its a Pentium division failure. Re: school Alexander M.,6-Feb-04 6:41 Alexander M., 6-Feb-04 6:41  I know what Austria is... so don't tell me about the history, I know everything about it! And Austria has never been a "real" power. Und wenn du sagen willst, dass die Sonne niemals untergeht, dann ist es SUN SET, und nicht RISE! Don't try it, just do it! Re: school Hauptman(n)6-Feb-04 6:51 Hauptman(n) 6-Feb-04 6:51  k schon gut; ich meinte ja untergehen, hab mich nur verschrieben(ich wollte eigentlich ... where the sund didn't sink). Aber was meinst du damit, das Österreich nie eine real power gewesen war? scio me nihil scire Its incurable, its a Pentium division failure. Re: school Alexander M.,6-Feb-04 9:57 Alexander M., 6-Feb-04 9:57  österreich hat so ziemlich jeden krieg verloren den es je geführt hat.. politisch hatte es auch noch nie was großes mitzureden(und heute abolut gar nix). haste ICQ oder ähnliches, dann können wir gerne noch ne runde labern Don't try it, just do it! Re: school Hauptman(n)6-Feb-04 21:21 Hauptman(n) 6-Feb-04 21:21  hmm, ok im Geschichte Unterricht bei uns geht nicht immer so hervor, wer der Sieger eines Kriegs ist meine ICQ Nummer ist übrigens 161666414 scio me nihil scire Its incurable, its a Pentium division failure. Re: school vertigo_one11-Feb-04 9:34 vertigo_one 11-Feb-04 9:34  Programming Skills depend 99.9999% of yourself, neither I had programming classes at school and the teachers at university just suck. I love this and all what I know about programming I learnt it by myself, 'wasting' hours in front of the pc, buying and reading books, internet, etc. etc. Real Programmer is not who knows how to work with a programming tool, Real Programmer is who knows how to write cool stuff in any programming language, 'cuz he/she/(it!!?) thinks like a machine B). Atari 2600 + Spectravideo Compumate MattyT4-Feb-04 20:40 MattyT 4-Feb-04 20:40  Am I the only one in the world that used this baby to begin their programming career?? Whenever I mention the "Spectravideo" to colleagues they shrug their shoulders... It was an add-on for the Atari 2600 that plugged in via the cartridge and joystick ports gave the VCS a membrane keyboard. With it you could create graphics (40x40 pixels, 2 colours!!), music and, most important to me, code in a very simple BASIC. It was a great little device and a delight for a child with an interest in these fascintating things called 'computers'... Check out this link and this one too. Aah the memories... Re: Atari 2600 + Spectravideo Compumate Krissh5-Feb-04 19:46 Krissh 5-Feb-04 19:46  Spectravideo -86 Comodore 64 -87 Amiga 500 -91 8086/8886 -92 PC multi -> -92 -04 Centrino laptop -04 18 years that changed my life Gupta Team Developer 3.0 VC++ 2003 Oracle 8i W2K-XP Re: Atari 2600 + Spectravideo Compumate LasseJ5-Feb-04 22:33 LasseJ 5-Feb-04 22:33  Almost equal "CV": Spectravideo SV-328 12/84: Had the best MS product ever - MS Basic Commodore C128 7/86: Disk drive really sucked (1570) Atari Mega ST2 x/87: 386 33MHz PC 01/91: First with green hercules display, at the end of '92 it got it's first linux inside! Thereafter various PC-incarnations Nowdays I have in my classics collection: Atari 520STFM, Atari 1024ST, 2 x Amiga 500 and a Apple Macintosh 512. All "infamous" Motorola 68k machines! Interesting that more than 70% of us Roger Wright4-Feb-04 14:50 Roger Wright 4-Feb-04 14:50  started as children! It really is true that what we pick up as kids tends to stick with us as adults, but I had no idea how strongly. That, to me, is all the more reason we need to stress the sciences early in order to ensure that we can continue to produce competent technical people in the future. Emphasizing PE and social studies over math and physics just guarantees us of a large segment of society that is incompetent to deal with a technical society, and ensures that technical jobs in the next generation will go unfilled. It's great to see our young members doing their part to help prevent that unpleasant outcome! Heard in Bullhead City - "You haven't lost your girl - you've just lost your turn..." [sigh] So true... Re: Interesting that more than 70% of us Alexander M.,5-Feb-04 5:55 Alexander M., 5-Feb-04 5:55  You are sooo right!!! In Germany I often realize that many people are kinda "in fear" of high-tech products. They are getting more and more hostile towards new technologie, I think mainly because they are not able to understand how it works and that there is no danger and so they are stopping high-tech projects because there are many people protesting against things they don't know anything about... And I think there is a similar situation in the United States and in many other western states. I hope the way people are thinking about that will change in the future, or we will get big problems because our states earn their money by producing technologie... Don't try it, just do it! Re: Interesting that more than 70% of us peterchen5-Feb-04 11:24 peterchen 5-Feb-04 11:24  It's simply a Prophet-Mountain relationship, the age they meet just depends on their speed and general orientation. And you want to travel with her And you want to travel blind . mlog || Agile Programming | doxygen Re: Interesting that more than 70% of us Hauptman(n)6-Feb-04 6:30 Hauptman(n) 6-Feb-04 6:30  yeah I think the the people can't understand these technic. So they have fear about it, because they can't fathom it. scio me nihil scire My OpenSource(zlib/libpng License) Engine: http://sourceforge.net/projects/rendertech Its incurable, its a Pentium division failure. Do you remember the ZX81? ManiB4-Feb-04 10:08 ManiB 4-Feb-04 10:08  Hi, my very first experience in programming was the basic on an ZX81! Do you remember? I found the very interesting site: http://www.nvg.ntnu.no/sinclair/contents.htm Have a look and much fun... Manfred Becker (ManiB) Re: Do you remember the ZX81? Anonymous4-Feb-04 10:45 Anonymous 4-Feb-04 10:45  Yep. I bought the kit and built mine. Had to balance a carton of frozen milk against the 16K memory module to stop it overheating. Them were the days Re: Frozen milk conrad Braam5-Feb-04 18:47 conrad Braam 5-Feb-04 18:47  I never tried that, strangely the damn RAM pack never blew up, I actually got hooked on grandad's C64, but I only had the ZX81 at home. Keyboard gave in way too soon though. Conrad - conradb@adroit.co.za Always do badly to start off, that way when you get the hang of it suddenly, everyone is surprised. Re: Do you remember the ZX81? Member 69538411-Feb-04 8:15 Member 695384 11-Feb-04 8:15  I start computing when I saw for the first time a ZX80! ...

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