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Xaotiq wrote: Well to a corporation/employer you yourself are a tool.
Ehr, no; I rent out my time and expertise, there's a difference there. One of them is that I do not only have a routine to make decisions, I can actually back them up with argumentation and compare it to other idea's.
Until AI can qualify "a bit" (ie, understand context, including sarcasm) I do not see any CPU challenging my position.
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Xaotiq wrote: Cars are rented out. So are programmers.
A car is a piece of equipment that does not think, nor take intelligent decisions.
Xaotiq wrote: Else why do they pay you?
Expertise. A hammer does not come with knowledge. Not my idea, but the idea of a free market. Tools are cheap*, because there's lots of them 
Xaotiq wrote: No. It is finding baselines and comparing data to show what is the best next action and action after that.
Yes, but not even close to the reasoning of a human. AI still has a long way to go.
Xaotiq wrote: Article is about creating an AI that understand sarcasm
..yes, a single application specifically designed to do so. Still not close to a human who can distinguish it in a second, and applying that knowledge to the current discussion in the correct context.
I do not see a computer intelligently deciding between C# and VB.NET for the next project, never mind replacing one of the programmers 
*) I is not cheap
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Xaotiq wrote: By the way, did you hear about CA passing a law allowing Google's AI to be considered a driver in a car?
Following simple rules, like the bees we program to act as a cloud. Any tool can follow rules; can you understand why the rule is there and when it can be broken? Can you understand context?
Xaotiq wrote: While this is a silly example I am still going to run with it
Indeed a silly example; the tool has no knowledge - whilst one is better for one task than the other, it is the one that wields it that decides which is swung.
Xaotiq wrote: I like VS as an IDE. It is fantastic.
Still the best IDE that I know, and as great as it is at helping me do my job, it merely makes it easier; it does not replace me in the sense that it does not think in my place. It has no idea what "we" are building together, nor does it (have to) care.
Xaotiq wrote: You underestimate the stupidity of humans.
I'm gonna predict nuclear war before true AI - and human stupidity is on my side of that bet.
Xaotiq wrote: You keep using the word "Human" like everyone fits into this perfect bucket.
No, as rather as an indication of intelligence; it may not sound like an intelligent being, but it does give a rough indication to compare your AI-intelligence to.
Xaotiq wrote: Machine learning can easily
Do exactly as told, nothing else, nothing new, nothing original. Eat peanut-butter according to the exact same recipe as it was for 2000 years.
I don't do exactly as told 
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Xaotiq wrote: the IDE comes with a compiler that understands LINQ.
No, it knows the rules for checking the syntax. It has no idea what the query does or why it is needed. Your example is still of a specialized tool which has no initiative, no thought-process, no validation, nothing.
Xaotiq wrote: You might learn something
Again, you assume too much
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Eddy Vluggen wrote: Xaotiq wrote: Cars are rented out. So are programmers.
A car is a piece of equipment that does not think, nor take intelligent decisions.
So you're telling me that half of my managers have actually been cars???
I said that tongue-in-cheek ... but that does describe an unfortunate number of managers I've experienced. [To be fair, I've had the pleasure of working with brilliant managers.]
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BryanFazekas wrote: So you're telling me that half of my managers have actually been cars???
Did the managers pick the shortest route?
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The longest path between two points is a shortcut ... so yeah, they typically pick the shortest route ...
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Primarily I'm tasked with developing abstract platforms (and deciding when stretching one any further is counter-productive). Wherever the coding will go, the job's not going to be abstracted by a machine anytime soon. Neither will drag-and-drop applications make it all the rage for our current smart-phone-infatuated.
Outsourcing the work to 'far off lands' has always found itself in the state of disaster. The quality of the work, at best, is "textbook" - which is without insight and the kind of thing that can be done by a machine.
As an interesting aside, using web pages as an example: I originally used some sort of drag-and-drop environment. Once I started to want to make things interesting it became necessary to hand code the pages. Now, that's all I do. The easy way just doesn't cut it.
And there's always winning the lottery.
| "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein | | "As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert | | "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010 |
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Xaotiq wrote: This will allow them to spend more time on the execution of new ideas rather than coming up with them.
Here, I totally disagree.
The place where humans are essential is coming up with the new ideas. Let the machines do the grunt work.
| "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein | | "As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert | | "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010 |
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You give an example I would, but to the contrary purpose:
The Billion dollar decisions are made by a machine (algorithm, at least) that was created by a person - but first and more importantly - someone had to think up the idea that such an algorithm could exist and be useful).
Analytics pointing to the gaps - only for the trivial. The real work's already been done and the model set up: the gaps need to be defined, at least implicitly.
Creativity is the real multi-tasking experience: : concepts that may have no relation at all can be brought together to create and problems solved by routes not part of the ('coded') working set of tools. As of now (at least so far as I know) that realm still remains in the hands of humans - and not that many of them.
| "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein | | "As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert | | "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010 |
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I find it interesting that most of the detractors to the concept of AI taking over their job are basing their viewpoint on that an AI could never have those skills.
But what if an AGI could exist that would have the induction, intuition, creativity and emotions akin to a human?
I believe that if an AGI became advanced enough to replace me and my development talents, every society on the planet would be so transformed that I would have no worry about my next paycheck and could spend the rest of my days writing novels and directing movies.
Am I be worried? Nope, either way.
Is AGI coming? Yup. Eventually.
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If robots can create software better than any humans - and are allowed to - then we are all stuffed anyway
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Have soldering iron, will travel.
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I partially agree with other comments, that programming will be one of the last things in danger. But...
IF... (a big if), computers do get so far that they can write software and learn from own errors, the learning curve will be exponential.
To be honest a job is the last of my concerns in such a situation. 
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1)I have been long enough in automation as well, that's why I said I partially agree, but the point is: noone is irreplaceable.
2) The whole speech you gave missed the point that my message was another one.
Have a nice day
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