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Re: Very Beginner Question about SQL Server Mark Conger6-Dec-02 10:17 Mark Conger 6-Dec-02 10:17  If you run the install script I mentioned it will create a SQL server northwind DB. The Access Northwind won't mount under SQL Server (Wrong kind of header block)not to mention SQL Server 2K is older than Office XP. Mark Conger Sonork:100.28396 Re: Very Beginner Question about SQL Server Derek Price6-Dec-02 10:25 Derek Price 6-Dec-02 10:25  Unfortunately, I couldn't find any Northwind upgrade SQL script. I'm in the process of downloading SQL Server 2000 right now (I only had SQL Server 7). Another embarrassingly very simple question - once I have the upgrade Northwind SQL script, how do I launch SQL Server to execute it? Re: Very Beginner Question about SQL Server Not Active7-Dec-02 13:29 Not Active 7-Dec-02 13:29  In your original post you said you have SQL Server 7 installed. Why are you trying to use an Access version of Northwind then? On the provider tab you need to select "Microsoft Jet 4.0 OLE DB Provider". "Microsoft OLEDB Provider for SQL Server" is for connecting to a SQL Server database which you appear not to be doing. Do you understand the differences between providers? Re: Very Beginner Question about SQL Server Derek Price9-Dec-02 7:48 Derek Price 9-Dec-02 7:48  Yes - I do understand the differences between providers. I was a little confused about the book I was following since the author used the Northwind database with SQL Server. I (brashly) assumed that Microsoft had made the Access and SQL Server database compatible. Thanks for the help! Re: Very Beginner Question about SQL Server Steve McLenithan9-Dec-02 6:48 Steve McLenithan 9-Dec-02 6:48  use the DTS import wizard to convert the access db version of Northwind to an sql server database. You can still use the server explorer to add a connection to an Access database if you dont want to deal with sql server. Hope that helps. ******************** * SteveMcLenithan * steve@steve-mac.com * http://steve-mac.com ******************** Re: Very Beginner Question about SQL Server Derek Price9-Dec-02 7:59 Derek Price 9-Dec-02 7:59  If I didn't already have SQL Server 2000, could I do this with MDSE 2000? Do you know if it provides any sort of conversion wizard? SQL Explorer Control Paul Watson6-Dec-02 4:48 Paul Watson 6-Dec-02 4:48  Anybody know of a control, preferably .NET, which can give me a treeview display like that found in SQL Enterprise Manager? Am about to make one for a small project (hell the treeview control will be the biggest part of the small project) and would prefer to focus on the point of the project (SP generation) than that. ta Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa Christopher Duncan wrote: Which explains why when Santa asked, "And what do you want for Christmas, little boy?" I said, "A life." (Accesories sold separately) Triggers and Mutating Tables Chris Meech6-Dec-02 3:58 Chris Meech 6-Dec-02 3:58  For a new trigger I'm developing, I getting a mutating table error message. The trigger is an AFTER INSERT trigger and in the trigger, I need to query the table that the trigger is on. The reason for this is because the new record contains a reference to an already existing record and I need data from this existing record to insert new records in another table. My documentation says that this is acceptable as long as the query is a SELECT INTO type of query. I'm going to try a cursor as a replacement, even though there is only one record I'm after, but if anyone has another idea for me to try, I'd love to hear it. Thanks. Chris Meech "what makes CP different is the people and sense of community, things people will only discover if they join up and join in." Christian Graus Nov 14, 2002. "AAAAAAAAAHHHHHH!!!!! Those leaks are driving me crazy! How does one finds a memory leak in a garbage collected environment ??! Daniel Turini Nov. 2, 2002. Re: Triggers and Mutating Tables Mark Conger6-Dec-02 4:24 Mark Conger 6-Dec-02 4:24  Out of curiosity, why are you doing an AFTER insert? I usually do this sort of thing with a Before (ON INSERT) kind of trigger so the row is built before the insert occured. hmm, your idea should work, but I'm a little confused as to as to why using the AFTER variant. Mark Conger Sonork:100.28396 Re: Triggers and Mutating Tables Chris Meech6-Dec-02 4:42 Chris Meech 6-Dec-02 4:42  Good question, Mark. It shouldn't matter whether the new rows in the secondary table are inserted before or after, so I will also try that as well. At the end of the day, all that I need is that when one row is inserted in one table, a corresponding row is created in another. So having it happen as a BEFORE or AFTER, from an application standpoint is of no consequence. But now that you've got me really thinking about it, perhaps the mutating error I'm getting is because it is an AFTER trigger. A change to a BEFORE trigger, may not cause the mutating error. Thanks. Chris Meech "what makes CP different is the people and sense of community, things people will only discover if they join up and join in." Christian Graus Nov 14, 2002. "AAAAAAAAAHHHHHH!!!!! Those leaks are driving me crazy! How does one finds a memory leak in a garbage collected environment ??! Daniel Turini Nov. 2, 2002. Re: Triggers and Mutating Tables Chris Meech6-Dec-02 5:39 Chris Meech 6-Dec-02 5:39  Talk about a rock and a hard place. When I make the trigger a BEFORE trigger, then either the SELECT INTO or the use of a cursor works without causing a mutating table error. However the inserts that the trigger tries to do, fail because the RI rule for the table I'm inserting the new records into fails since this insert is 'before' the insert in the first table. When I make the trigger an AFTER trigger, so that the RI rule failure is avoided, then either of the SELECT INTO or use of a cursor to select, causes the mutating table error condition. What I'm trying to accomplish is the following. I'm inserting a new record into table A. This new row contains a reference to an already existing row in the table as well. I need the data from both of these records in order to construct a new row to insert into table B. However there is a referential integrity rule, whereby a new row in table B must contain a reference to an already existing row in table A. It is because of this RI rule that I think the trigger needs to be an AFTER trigger. Thanks for any suggestions. Chris Meech "what makes CP different is the people and sense of community, things people will only discover if they join up and join in." Christian Graus Nov 14, 2002. "AAAAAAAAAHHHHHH!!!!! Those leaks are driving me crazy! How does one finds a memory leak in a garbage collected environment ??! Daniel Turini Nov. 2, 2002. Re: Triggers and Mutating Tables Chris Meech6-Dec-02 5:55 Chris Meech 6-Dec-02 5:55  I'll have to investigate this solution some more, but I think it will do what I need. I have to create a PL/SQL package that contains both a BEFORE trigger and an AFTER trigger. The BEFORE trigger when fired will do the query to put the data into some package variables and then the AFTER trigger will use this data in order to do the inserts. I'll let you know how it works. Thanks again for the input, though. Chris Meech "what makes CP different is the people and sense of community, things people will only discover if they join up and join in." Christian Graus Nov 14, 2002. "AAAAAAAAAHHHHHH!!!!! Those leaks are driving me crazy! How does one finds a memory leak in a garbage collected environment ??! Daniel Turini Nov. 2, 2002. Re: Triggers and Mutating Tables Mark Conger6-Dec-02 6:20 Mark Conger 6-Dec-02 6:20  Double yuck! You hadn't mentioned an RI forein key being involved. Trigers and foreign keys usually mean headaches. My easiest solution to something liek this iss to do the insert via a PL/SQL package or have the trigger on the main table insert the appropriate data on the other table using a BEFORE insert trigger. and yeah, I thought the mutating error might be coming from the AFTER insert trigger holding the row in partial commit. I saw it once and recoding logic to a BEFORe usually fixed it. Yuck Mark Conger Sonork:100.28396 Re: Triggers and Mutating Tables Chris Meech6-Dec-02 8:43 Chris Meech 6-Dec-02 8:43  I got the package solution working just fine. The triggers fire as expected and my new row in the secodn tabel appears just fine. Thanks for input, Mark. Chris Meech "what makes CP different is the people and sense of community, things people will only discover if they join up and join in." Christian Graus Nov 14, 2002. "AAAAAAAAAHHHHHH!!!!! Those leaks are driving me crazy! How does one finds a memory leak in a garbage collected environment ??! Daniel Turini Nov. 2, 2002. SQL d@rk_@lly6-Dec-02 1:58 d@rk_@lly 6-Dec-02 1:58  I want to learn database programing, and I am at a standstill as to choose SQL SERVER or ORACLE for my database. Waiting for someone to reply... Re: SQL Vasudevan Deepak Kumar6-Dec-02 2:06 Vasudevan Deepak Kumar 6-Dec-02 2:06  With SQL Server, you start with a friendly handson touch. Also, you have lots of tools that help you to get started. A free Desktop Edition called MSDE is available so that you may rest free without struggling with Evaluation editions. While Evaluation edition does not have much free tools, here is one tool that you can hopefully rest upon with comfort at: http://www.albahari.com Hope this solves your problem to get started with database programming. Deepak Kumar Vasudevan http://deepak.portland.co.uk/ Re: SQL Not Active6-Dec-02 2:13 Not Active 6-Dec-02 2:13  As a beginner I would recommend SQL Server. Oracle is fine but IMO I think the SQL Server interface is better for beginers. Once you learn the coomen things like, SQL commands, normalization and such they can be applied to any RDBM, just the tools are different. Re: SQL Mark Conger6-Dec-02 3:37 Mark Conger 6-Dec-02 3:37  Hiya! Welcome to probably one of the most argued topics Christian and I have disagreements about this all the time. Really, there is not difference in which you pick. the reason I say that is you should go looking to learn the platform. What you want to learn is the concepts. things like normalization, denormalization, cursors, objects, general Sql concepts are going to be the same whatever pllatform you choose. once you learn it in one place, you can then focus on the nuances of the different implementations of those features on other RDBMS. Someone pointed out MSDE. MSDE is a small no fuss RDBMS. If you don't want to worry about some of the more advanced DBA-ish features (nothing a programmer would see or normally be concerned about usually.) then MSDE is fine. It has a fairly small memory footprint and is fairly robust since it is essentially a scaled down SQL Server. I don't know if everyone is aware, but Oracle also can be obtained for evaluation/development fairly easily. Take a look at the site otn.oracle.com. Oracle is a much larger download and you end up with not just the RDBMS but all their admin and development tools as well as an apache web server. When you download it, you get everything as if you went out and purchased it. Now, if you are not experienced with RDBMS or don't have a resource to call on in case you need help setting things up, go MSDE. Oracle is not for the faint of heart in the administration field. If you know what you are doing, you can setup Oracle in half an hour. If you don't, you'd be doing good to get Oracle up and running reliably in a week or two. MSDE does not come with an administration tool (But there are some arround including one I'm working on and one that Christian has published here on CP). Oracle comes with command line and GUI tools. The command line tools work like a champ and have been the fundamental tools of Oracle for years; The GUI tools are the latest rewrite of tools that have been arround about 5 or 6 years, now in java, and they are slow and clunky. Final Recomendation: Go with MSDE to start with. Learn Oracle and any other RDBMS you can get your hands on after you have the principles down. I'm a DBA and learning as many RDBMS's as I can is at least keeping me in contract work while the economy is so screwed up. Mark Conger Sonork:100.28396 Auto Incrementing integer as primary key in access DB PJ Arends5-Dec-02 18:48 PJ Arends 5-Dec-02 18:48  Hi All. I was wondering if someone could answer a question that was originally asked here[^] two weeks ago as I have not yet recieved an answer. I am stumped as to what to do to get this to work Will it help if I get on my knees and beg? CPUA 0x5041 Sonork 100.11743 Chicken Little "So it can now be written in stone as a testament to humanities achievments "PJ did Pi at CP"." Colin Davies Within you lies the power for good - Use it! Re: Auto Incrementing integer as primary key in access DB David Salter5-Dec-02 23:39 David Salter 5-Dec-02 23:39  Access supports incremental primary keys - they're of type "Counter" (or is it "Count"?) When you're inserting into a counter field, leave it out of your SQL statement and Access will do the rest. Dave ps. Begging not required Storing images in to database femthink5-Dec-02 12:14 femthink 5-Dec-02 12:14  Hi, I have over a million images of average size 200 KB.My Web- based app would provide facility to view these images.Would you suggest to store these images in MS SQL server or database as oppose to File Server ? What are the advantages/disadvantages of storing images in database. Re: Storing images in to database Richard Deeming5-Dec-02 23:29 Richard Deeming 5-Dec-02 23:29  Images stored in a database tend to be much slower to access than images stored in the file system. Store the images on disk - preferably split over multiple directories, as Windows sometimes has problems with huge numbers of files in one directory - and store the path to the image in the database. "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer Re: Storing images in to database Mark Conger6-Dec-02 3:39 Mark Conger 6-Dec-02 3:39  There's a type called image that is designed for this purpose. It's not real robust though. Most people work out some mechanism of storing images in a file system and storing a path to them. Other RDBMS's have types for this purpose as well (BFILE in Oracle) Mark Conger Sonork:100.28396 Re: Storing images in to database dev1t6-Dec-02 5:23 dev1t 6-Dec-02 5:23  I'd have to agree that storing the paths in the database would be the best apporach. At this point you should probably think of a way to programatically grab the paths and file names and insert them in the table you have. -Ra There are 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand binary, and those who don't... Re: Storing images in to database Anonymous6-Dec-02 5:37 Anonymous 6-Dec-02 5:37  Based on the responses I received I am planning to use Filesystem to store files and store paths into database.But I wonder why would someone want to store images in database.One reason anyone can think of is security but than there are ways to secure files also and if I am getting performance hit I better take care of link brakage and use filesystem.(FYI even though I have over million images only 200-2000 will be accessed at a time.) :-:-:-: Everything happens for a reason, but not that everything that happens has a reason.(I don't know what I am talking about, do you ? )

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