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I'd have to disagree. The post isn't trying to sell anything, though it is interesting (though mostly crap) reading.
cheers,
Chris Maunder
The Code Project Co-founder
Microsoft C++ MVP
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Sorry about that, didn't check the link but the title of the thread flagged it for me.
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It stink's of SEO optimization scamming to me, although it's unlikely the account was created solely for that purpose...
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2x12=24
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Have a look
Member Profile: Chris Maunder[^]
Every Profile Icon ( Site Builde, Staff, Admin ) coming multiple times.  . Something wrong 
Abhijit Jana | Codeproject MVP
Web Site : abhijitjana.net
Don't forget to click "Good Answer" on the post(s) that helped you.
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Nothing wrong there, Chris has reached the ultimate level of greatness and there for now counts as 4 site builders, 4 editors, 4 staff members, 4 sys admins, but apparently only 1 mentor (guess he still has some learning to do in that apartment  )
Never question the ultimate ruler of the hamsters
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Chris works in all four shifts. The icons now reflect that.
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All fixed.
Sorry about that.
Sincerely,
Elina
Life is great!!!
Enjoy every moment of it! 
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Just a heads up
The advert box on top no longer shows its content.
No error no nothing its just the nice CP orange.
It's not a server problem since I got it on web 16/19/21/22.
It's not always tho, from time to time it does show the advert but more often than not it's empty. (took 10 reloads to show it once and then again nothing)
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On it. Thanks!
cheers,
Chris Maunder
The Code Project Co-founder
Microsoft C++ MVP
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Don't know if you did anything but it seems to be fixed now.
Maybe the hamsters heard you coming in and decided it was time to get back to work? 
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There were out busking again. 
cheers,
Chris Maunder
The Code Project Co-founder
Microsoft C++ MVP
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It would be nice if it were easier to create lists when posting a message, answer, or Quick Aswers question. Here are some ideas:
- Create a "make list" button. When clicked, it either opens a new window, or navigates to the bottom of the page and unhides a list creator.
- This list creator can just be a list of textboxes (stacked on top of each other).
- Each textbox represents a list item. Whatever is typed into each textbox will go between LI tags.
- The user gets to select OL or UL (that setting will be remembered).
- If you want to get real fancy, have ability to nest lists. So each textbox can have a slightly indented list of textboxes below it (with buttons or something to add children).
- Have a checkbox next to each textbox that indicates whether or not the contents will be HTML encoded when the list is created.
- Have a "master" checkbox that can toggle all of the other checkboxes.
- When a user starts typing into the bottom most textbox, another checkbox is added just below it, automatically (all trailing empty textboxes will not be included in the result).
- I'd probably add more ideas, but I'm tired of typing all these LI's
By the way, if you are interested in this idea and want somebody else to do the work for you, I'll consider making an article about it. My JavaScript skills are a little rusty, but this would be the perfect chance to shine them up.
Visual Studio is an excellent GUIIDE.
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...or we could use MarkDown[^]
cheers,
Chris Maunder
The Code Project Co-founder
Microsoft C++ MVP
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Perhaps. I use markdown all the time with my wiki, but I find it pretty clumsy. It is especially clumsy when working with line breaks and code. However, markdown would probably be fine for 95% of the people who use lists.
Visual Studio is an excellent GUIIDE.
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Yuck!
Have you actually tried it? It's just yucky.
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But what's so horrible about something like having
1. One
2. Two
3. Three
Turn into
- One
- Two
- Three
I don't think I'd want to support the full markdown syntax, but even just some basics such as lists, *...*, _..._, blockquote and a few other simple ones would help and be unobtrusive.
cheers,
Chris Maunder
The Code Project Co-founder
Microsoft C++ MVP
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Chris Maunder wrote: or we could use MarkDown
No thanks. I prefer the same language for messages, tips, articles, and everything. And I like the ability to edit them and view them outside the CP environment, in an off-line environment I'm familiar with; so HTML is my language of choice.
A few buttons to ease the most popular constructs is fine, such as the existing "code block" one. You could add a "create numbered list" and/or "create bulleted list" widget, which would insert some OL/UL and LI tags for say 7 items. The redundant ones are easily cut, but I'm not asking for any of that.
BTW: IMO there isn't an absolute need for a one-fits-all approach, if one editor is perfect for all jobs, then that's the one; if not, please consider making the choice a personal setting. (Of course this may somewhat conflict with the many people working on one message idea).
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Luc Pattyn wrote: insert some OL/UL and LI tags for say 7 items
I like that idea.
Visual Studio is an excellent GUIIDE.
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Luc Pattyn wrote: please consider making the choice a personal setting
That was the initial plan, until...
Luc Pattyn wrote: this may somewhat conflict with the many people working on one message idea
Exactly. It caused no end of mess.
So you don't feel the addition of automatic conversion of
* One
* Two
* Three
and
1. One
2. Two
3. Three
to UL and OL lists wouldn't be simple, unobtrusive and helpful?
cheers,
Chris Maunder
The Code Project Co-founder
Microsoft C++ MVP
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Chris Maunder wrote: to UL and OL lists wouldn't be simple, unobtrusive and helpful?
I can't speak for Luc, but I think this is a great idea.
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For short stuff (today's forum messages) I wouldn't mind having that, but I don't consider it a priority. I do type 1. aaa 2. bbb 3. ccc with newlines and am happy with the result already; and I don't do unordered lists, having numbers makes replying much easier.
If you implement it, I prefer separate lists to have continuing numbers, i.e. not restart at 1 (or 0 for JSOP and some).
For long stuff (articles) I would prefer not to have it; I know MS Word does it and most often makes a mess as soon as I want nested lists, lists that restart at 1, etc. Maybe it is too intelligent to guess what I really want.
For both it is important that I can create a text, preview it, edit it, do a full or partial copy/cut, then paste it again, while keeping everything as intended, i.e. it should be smart enough to either undo what was added/changed automatically, or avoid doing it twice when pasted again. One of the reasons is I do keep a copy some of my messages in a separate "database" so I can reuse them without further ado. And when I need them often enough I turn them into a little article.
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Markdown would only ever be used within Quick Answers. The thing that attracts me to markdown is that it would never affect the raw Text/HTML you entered, and we'd only enable it for really simple things such as lists and *emphasis*.
cheers,
Chris Maunder
The Code Project Co-founder
Microsoft C++ MVP
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Some suggestions:
1. make enabling/disabling such intelligence a user choice (personal settings)
2. label your editor window with what features are enabled/disabled to make sure users know what they should expect (e.g. "markdown enabled" right on top of the edit box); if the choice can be changes locally, add checkboxes instead of labels, preferably on top of the edit box, so I see them before I start typing and scrolling.
3. if you use the name, make sure to implement the real thing; I remember you said "some parts of markdown" somewhere, don't call it markdown unless it is complete (or an official feature set if such thing exists). Same for the now gone WYSIWYG editor that wasn't really WYSIWYG as preview looked differently.
I'm not sure what is going on. Have you given up completely on all kinds of WYSIWYG editors? Do you need more than the current forum editor is offering?
I will try it if you create it, however I'm not sure at all I will use markdown or any new language. Straight HTML is my preference. That too is a moving target, but it is one I have to know anyway; so far markdown means nothing to me, I had to look it up in order to find out what you were on about.
BTW: there is 1 bug in the forum editor I stumble upon frequently however I've never reported it: insert widgets should not only insert, they also should delete any selected text like all editors do; it happens to me when fixing a < mistake: I select the < in the text, then click the < widget, and end up with <<
And the other thing that I have reported and still annoys me is the inconsistency in the smileys: does not need a space,  does
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If we enable/disable Markdown then it probably be via a Format dropdown (Plain text, Text + Simple HTML, Text + HTML + Simple Markdown kinda thing).
Luc Pattyn wrote: Have you given up completely on all kinds of WYSIWYG editors?
Yes, for Quick Answers. Everyone complained about it so I dumped it and went back to the editor used in the forums.
If you know HTML then stick to it. I want to allow our members to just type a question and be done with it. If they want to add HTML decoration then we allow them, but we're not going to force anyone to include P or BR tags within a question just to get new lines.
For Markdown it's the same deal. Type using text. If you wish to add HTML then do that. If you wish to allow Markdown to be used then you have the option of decorating your text in a slightly different way to HTML. Instead of <b>...</b> you'd do **...**, instead of using ULs for lists you'd just prefix each line item in your list with *. Very basic.
The biggest problem that I see is entering code snippets. The article editor will stay as-is because it accepts raw HTML and provide a good deal of flexibility (balanced by our safety filters). Within a question, though, adding PRE tags is not a typical user's first thought. Markdown will treat anything indented 4 spaces as code, but to be that could be troublesome. I'm open to suggestions on how to make it easy to add code.
(and thanks for the < bug report)
cheers,
Chris Maunder
The Code Project Co-founder
Microsoft C++ MVP
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I once (before those checkboxes got added) suggested to automatically HTML-encode everything that gets pasted inside PRE blocks, which you (rightfully I guess) rejected since code too could take advantage of bold and italics and such.
Now since you're considering a new language for formatting, I'll try a variant (may need some refinement, but it should remain simple and get published):
everything that gets pasted is:
1. checked for content (see below), and:
2a. either pasted with PRE tags around it, with automatic HTML encoding, with the correct language setting, and with untabbing (TAB becomes 1 to 4 spaces up to next multiple of 4)
2b. or pasted as is.
2a. really means a straight copy from IDE to edit box, no manual tweaking necessary.
remains to be solved: optional bold/italic/highlighting; I would accept such formatting only can be done after pasting (it is not present in my source file anyway!), with the existing widgets, and gets lost when copying again.
Content checking rules could require all of the following to be true for code:
- not sure: cursor must be on an empty line
- clipboard must hold multi-line text
- that text must start with a TAB, or two spaces, or one of a limited set of keywords which may appear at the start of a source file (imports in VB.NET, using in C#, <?PHP in PHP, etc; but what with comments, i.e. double slash, slash-asterisk, single quote, etc?)
Language recognition is more difficult. If it was a keyword that made it code, use that info. Otherwise, use the first tag. Otherwise use a user preference? Otherwise set it to "text" (or ask for it in a popup!), do not set it to a wild guess.
BTW: please discard CODE tags or make them as dumb as possible, let us push people towards PRE, not CODE tags. One reason is IMO contrast is very bad with syntax coloring on the blueish background.
Sanity check: valid code must remain valid code, i.e. a publish-copyToIDE-compile cycle must be successful, no matter what the intermediate language(s) do for formatting. [ADDED]Loosing TABS seems acceptable[/ADDED]
Ultimate test: publishing some HTML source. I think I also want two new widgets: paste as is, and paste as code; so I can force something to be code, or not to be code.
I hope/think this is rather easy for users, documentors and implementors.
PS: if you do this on QA, I think I also want it on all (remaining) forums. PRE tags are not just for code, they are useful on anything that takes advantage of a nonproportional font and a different background.
modified on Tuesday, December 1, 2009 2:44 PM
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