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I've always written my own HTML, but I recently dabbled a bit with MSHTML. The idea of a "quick and easy" WYSIWYG editor was interesting. What I discovered was that in terms of standards compliance, the HTML generated by the MSHTML editor would rank somewhere between the Titanic and Chernobyl. I found ways to mitigate some of it (deprecated tags, etc), but a lot of the fixes I applied were immediately undone by MSHTML itself.
So my question is this: Can MSHTML be made a viable solution for creating simple web pages? Most of what I do in this regard are just essays or brief articles - nothing complex. But I do insist upon standards-compliant code. Any thoughts?
Everybody SHUT UP until I finish my coffee...
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This Microsoft Web Editor is WYSIWYG and free but almost a 300MB download Microsoft Sharepoint Designer 2007[^] or you could try the bundled web editor SeaMonkey[^] and is a smaller download at around 10MB. I have not used SeaMonkey, but Sharepoint Designer 2007 is not too bad but does not support PHP pages.
If you need PHP support, although not WYSIWYG, try Aptana Studio http://aptana.com/[^]. Or, if you have [lots of] cash to spend, with PHP support, then DreamWeaver or MS Expressions Web will probably do.
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Hi Richard...
I downloaded Aptana recently but haven't had time to check it out. It's been crazy around here for a couple months and I've had almost no time to do anything on the computer. Hopefully things are getting back to normal.
I tried Sea Monkey the other day. A good editor, but only one file open at a time. It does at least avoid font tags.
I briefly visited the Sharepoint Designer page. Supported OS only goes up to XP. I'll dig around later today and see what I can find about Vista support. I have my own code editor [^] I built a year ago and I may add PHP support to it.
Thanks a bunch. Hope you and yours had a Merry Christmas
AB
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Alan Burkhart wrote: I briefly visited the Sharepoint Designer page. Supported OS only goes up to XP.
I've had that thing (the 2007 version) previously installed on both Vista and Win7 with no problems whatsoever.
As you have Aptana, go check out the plug-ins, they are rather good. Also go get Notepad++ you will enjoy that little program. And if you intend PHP/MySQL development, you might consider getting the XAMPP suite, and then consider playing with something like CodeIgniter.
Alan Burkhart wrote: Hope you and yours had a Merry Christmas
It weren't too bad. Trust yours was everything you wanted. See you next door in SB1.
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I installed XAMPP sometime back. Good product. Also have NotePad++, but I wrote my own text editor back in '06 and I like it better. NP++ is an excellent program in many ways, but it strikes me as being a bit bloated. Also have NoteTab Light, another good one. Mine has several tools I added that few other people would find useful but they work well for me. I may polish it up and submit it as a CP project at some point.
I'll drop by SB1 B4 the night is over. It's good to be back online.
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I have used many editors over the year, but have finally settled on notepad++ on windows, IMHO it is one of the best as it supports many lanuages and so I do not need to learn a new editor for a new language. It also has code complete, but you have to turn it on and it is not perfect, but still it know most of the php function names, html, javascript and css.
Sadly notepad++ is a windows only tool and so on linux I use Bluefish.
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cjoki wrote: ...but have finally settled on notepad++ on windows...
NP++ is a good editor. But I (and it's just a preference on my part) don't like "mega-editors" like NP++. I want my text editor to be simple and efficient, but without a ton of bells and whistles. I wrote my own text editor that's basically just Notepad with a toolbar and few tools I use on a regular basis. I also wrote my own HTML editor sometime back (uses ScintillaNet) and would love to add a WYSIWYG option. But I have yet to see a WYSIWYG editor that generates standards-compliant code. I've pretty given up on finding one that does.
Since dropping support for the ActiveEx browser control, MS now recommends a 3rd party control called FreeTextBox [^]. But its HTML is only marginally better than MSHTML and still produces some deprecated tags. I corresponded with the author and he admitted that his control has some compliance issues, but also says changing it to use styles within span tags (instead of font tags) would create problems with some of his customers. No clue here how compliant HTML could be a "problem."
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Everyone has their preferrence, but my reasoning stands. I have written many programs/scripts in many languages: html, css, javascript, php, sql, c, c++, java, and even python and perl. And prefer to not add to the complexity of programming by having to learn a new editor for any language I use.
NP++ is clean and simple even if it is filled with 40 other languages that I will most likely never use. But if I do use them I take comfort in knowing I do not have to learn a new editor.
In my experience a WYSIWYG editors all fail and add more bloat and bad code to your files. I have never found one that generated code like what I write, nor do they save me time when hand coding when you consider having to fix the WYSIWYG mistakes.
Nuf Said
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cjoki wrote: I have never found one that generated code like what I write, nor do they save me time when hand coding when you consider having to fix the WYSIWYG mistakes.
Your WYSIWYG experiences mirror my own. Where we differ is in regards to editors. I like having a dev environment specific to what I'm doing. I use VS for all my VB.Net projects, my HTML editor for web work, etc. One thing I have noticed about NP++ is that its find-replace tool is pleasingly fast when I use regular expressions. Noticeably faster than NoteTab or my own text editor.
While VS occasionally causes me to consider eating my computer, I do enjoy the drag-n-drop interface and all the tools it places at my disposal. And the tools I write for my own use are tailored for what I do, which removes the learning curve. I guess that's at the root of where we differ on editors. I often use my own tools from VB so I can make changes when I need to while working on something else. That's a wonderful (to me at least) convenience.
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I just prefer to write in a text editor over a gui interface. I feel much closer to the code.
Although for full disclosure I have delphi expereince and loved the RAD environment for application development. I also got to demo the early PHP GUI Editor when code gear (now embarcadero) first released it. My experience was just like that of MS Editor, although it did do a better job of keeping the code clean, but the code produced was way out of date. It made use of tables for page lay out instead of divs and css as was common for the day.
My end result is the same tho....a good text editor allows more control over the code made.
Just me 2 Cents.
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cjoki wrote: Although for full disclosure...
Full disclosure: I still use tables quite often. So easy to arrange a page that way. Especially if a page requires a sidebar. I'm a tad lazy in that regard.
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Hi,
I have been asked to develop a web-based application for work, but I've never done any web-based development or programming before, ever!
So, I'm looking for some recommended books or sites to get started. I've spent many years developing software - C++, some C#, Excel VBA, VB6, SQL etc. I'm leaning towards HTML5 and javascript based on some of what I've read.
However, I've had a look at some programming - some javascript, php etc and it just doesnt' seem to have the same rigour and structure as regular programming.
So, on the basis that I'm as ignorant as they come when it comes to web development, what do you recommend I read as a good starting point?
Thanks in advance,
John.
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Thanks Eswa,
However, looking for non-Microsoft solutions only (internal decision)!
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just Google it,you can see lot of resources or
Checkout msdn or also there are lot of free ebooks available something like OReilly publication
which i feel very gud.
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Hello,
I need some recommendations for books that help me learn web services. I don't know anything about web services, so I need books that are Petzoldish; I mean, like that Windows Programming book of Charles Petzold that really gives in depth understand on how things are and how things can be used.
I see a lot of material on the web about web services use C#. I am a C++ guy so I don't mind learning C#. It would be helpful if the book has a primer on C#. If not, please recommend a suitable book.
Thanks for reading this.
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I'm not sure about web services, apart from ASP.NET[^], but .NET Book Zero[^] helped me in the jump from C++ to C#.
Just say 'NO' to evaluated arguments for diadic functions! Ash
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Thanks for that Petzold link.
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Hello,
My name is Willie Jammer. I used to use this website to send braille to my friend in Winters, California.
It's to bad I can't do that online anymore.
Is there anyway that you can bring it back?
There were fields where I would put my friend's mailing address and zipcode and post my braille letter to the postoffice.
I'd like that back.
Sincerely yours,
Willie Jammer
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This question would probably get a better response if posted in "Site Bugs/Suggestions".
Just say 'NO' to evaluated arguments for diadic functions! Ash
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Not sure if this is what you are after?
Text to Braille Converter[^]
Just download the Zip file and away you go.
If Pac-Man had affected us as kids, we'd all be running around in dark rooms, munching pills and listening to repetitive electronic music.
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My dot net application displays a Html page on a web control.
The html page has a javascript embedded in it.
The html page has button on it.
When the html button is clicked, Java script lanches a print dialog using JScript's <code>Window.print().</code>
There is some other application (Kind of Monitor) which closes the Dot net Window. As the control in the Dot net window hosts the Html, the html also unloaded.
Problem:
The print dialog launched by the JScript <code>Window.print()</code> call still displayed. <big>How do I close the print dialog using the JScript?</big>
Thanks in Advance 
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I don't think you can close the print dialog from javascript. If that is possible, think of all the security issues that could arise.
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Hi,
Inside a div I have a horizontal navigation bar and some images, which are links, below the bar. I am unable to control the spacing between the images and the bar, i.e. I wish to move the images up, closer to the bottom of the bar, but am unable to do so. I have tried everything I could think of, margins, padding, etc. but nothing seems to be working. I wonder if anyone has any solutions? All help would be greatly appreciated.
<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd">
<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">
<head>
<style type="text/css">
body
{ text-align: center;
min-width: 1044px;
margin: 0px;
padding: 0px;
font-family: arial;
}
#wrapper
{ position: relative;
text-align: left;
width: 1044px;
height: 100%;
margin: 0px auto;
}
#top-header-block
{ width: 1010px;
height: 170px;
background-color: cyan;
}
ul#list-nav
{ list-style:none;
clear: both;
margin-top:12px;
padding:0;
width:1104px;
float:left;
}
ul#list-nav li
{ display:inline
}
ul#list-nav li a
{ text-decoration:none;
padding:5px 0px;
width:100px;
height: 3.20em;
line-height: 3.20em;
background: url(blue_square_A.jpg) #0d2474 bottom left repeat-x;
color:#FFFFFF;
float:left;
text-align:center;
border-left:1px solid #fff;
font-size: 12px;
font-weight: bold;
}
ul#list-nav li a.noBorder
{ border-left: 0;
}
ul#list-nav li a.widthA
{ width:90px;
}
ul#list-nav li a.widthB
{ width:72px;
}
ul#list-nav li a.widthC
{ width: 80px;
background: #990000;
}
ul#list-nav li a.widthD
{ padding: 0px;
background: #FF8C00;
width: 80px;
height: 48px;
}
ul#list-nav li a img.noBorder
{ border-style: none;
}
ul#list-nav li a:hover
{ text-decoration:none;
background-color: #3333CC;
color:#FFFFFF;
}
img.delivery
{ margin-left: 15px;
float: left;
}
img.lorry
{ float: right;
margin-right: 25px;
}
</style>
</head>
<body>
<div id="wrapper">
<div id="top-header-block">
<ul id="list-nav">
<li><a class="noBorder"
href="#">****** ******</a></li>
<li><a href="#">*** *******</a></li>
<li><a href="#">*** ** *** **</a></li>
<li><a href="#">***********</a></li>
<li><a class="widthA"
href="#">*********</a></li>
<li><a href="#">*********</a></li>
<li><a href="#">*************</a></li>
<li><a class="widthB"
href="#">****</a></li>
<li><a class="widthC"
href="#"
onMouseOver="this.style.background='#DC143C'"
onMouseOut="this.style.background='#990000'">******</a></li>
<li><a class="widthB"
href="#">****</a></li>
<li><a class="widthD"
href="#"
onMouseOver="this.style.background='#FF8C00'">
<img class="noBorder" src=""
alt="" width="73" height="44" /></a></li>
</ul>
<a href="#">
<img class="delivery" src="" alt="" width="122" height="25"/>
</a>
<a href="#">
<img class="delivery" src="" alt="" width="90" height="25"/>
</a>
<a href="#">
<img class="delivery" src="" alt="" width="85" height="25"/>
</a>
<a href="#">
<img class="delivery lorry" src="" alt="" width="288" height="25"/>
</a>
</div>
</div>
</body>
</html>
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