Web Development

vanikanc30-Dec-10 4:28

vanikanc

30-Dec-10 4:28

Thanks for the fast response.

How long has VS 2010 been out?

Mainly be building web services connecting to SQL 2005.

2010 is compatible with SQL server 2005? Or do we need to migrate to SQL 2008?

Thanks.

Not Active30-Dec-10 4:40

Not Active

30-Dec-10 4:40

I believe it was release in April of this year. It is completely compatible with SQL Server 2005

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Simon_Whale30-Dec-10 4:27

Simon_Whale

30-Dec-10 4:27

Plus not sure about the USA, here in the UK VS2008 is difficult / near to impossible to buy new copies of

As barmey as a sack of badgers

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IE vs Firefox Title tag of DIV

Dr.Walt Fair, PE30-Dec-10 6:46

Dr.Walt Fair, PE

30-Dec-10 6:46

Unless you have some specific reason to use the older version, I would always go for the latest version when purchasing.

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Comport Computing
Specializing in Technical Engineering Software

GenJerDan29-Dec-10 9:38

GenJerDan

29-Dec-10 9:38

I've got some javascript doing this:

<div title="'+Leave.startdate+'\n'+Leave.enddate+'" . . .

In IE, the tooltip shows up with a linefeed, but in Firefox, it doesn't...shows all on one line.

I tried changing it to \r\n, but it still shows up on one line in FF.

Firefox doesn't like line breaks in tooltips?

Re: IE vs Firefox Title tag of DIV

fjdiewornncalwe29-Dec-10 10:56

fjdiewornncalwe

29-Dec-10 10:56

Instead of \r\n, why don't you try the < br /> tag

I wasn't, now I am, then I won't be anymore.

Re: IE vs Firefox Title tag of DIV

GenJerDan29-Dec-10 10:59

GenJerDan

29-Dec-10 10:59

I did. That was my first thought.

It put <br /> in there, literally. Laugh | :laugh:

Regarding MSHTML

Alan Burkhart29-Dec-10 4:28

29-Dec-10 4:28

I've always written my own HTML, but I recently dabbled a bit with MSHTML. The idea of a "quick and easy" WYSIWYG editor was interesting. What I discovered was that in terms of standards compliance, the HTML generated by the MSHTML editor would rank somewhere between the Titanic and Chernobyl. I found ways to mitigate some of it (deprecated tags, etc), but a lot of the fixes I applied were immediately undone by MSHTML itself.

So my question is this: Can MSHTML be made a viable solution for creating simple web pages? Most of what I do in this regard are just essays or brief articles - nothing complex. But I do insist upon standards-compliant code. Any thoughts?

Everybody SHUT UP until I finish my coffee...

User 171649229-Dec-10 9:01

User 1716492

29-Dec-10 9:01

This Microsoft Web Editor is WYSIWYG and free but almost a 300MB download Microsoft Sharepoint Designer 2007[^] or you could try the bundled web editor SeaMonkey[^] and is a smaller download at around 10MB. I have not used SeaMonkey, but Sharepoint Designer 2007 is not too bad but does not support PHP pages.

If you need PHP support, although not WYSIWYG, try Aptana Studio http://aptana.com/[^]. Or, if you have [lots of] cash to spend, with PHP support, then DreamWeaver or MS Expressions Web will probably do.

modified 1-Aug-19 21:02pm.

Alan Burkhart29-Dec-10 10:35

29-Dec-10 10:35

Hi Richard...
I downloaded Aptana recently but haven't had time to check it out. It's been crazy around here for a couple months and I've had almost no time to do anything on the computer. Hopefully things are getting back to normal.

I tried Sea Monkey the other day. A good editor, but only one file open at a time. It does at least avoid font tags.

I briefly visited the Sharepoint Designer page. Supported OS only goes up to XP. I'll dig around later today and see what I can find about Vista support. I have my own code editor [^] I built a year ago and I may add PHP support to it.

Thanks a bunch. Hope you and yours had a Merry Christmas
AB

Everybody SHUT UP until I finish my coffee...

User 171649229-Dec-10 12:03

User 1716492

29-Dec-10 12:03

Alan Burkhart wrote:
I briefly visited the Sharepoint Designer page. Supported OS only goes up to XP.

I've had that thing (the 2007 version) previously installed on both Vista and Win7 with no problems whatsoever.

As you have Aptana, go check out the plug-ins, they are rather good. Also go get Notepad++ you will enjoy that little program. And if you intend PHP/MySQL development, you might consider getting the XAMPP suite, and then consider playing with something like CodeIgniter.

Alan Burkhart wrote:
Hope you and yours had a Merry Christmas

It weren't too bad. Trust yours was everything you wanted. See you next door in SB1.

modified 1-Aug-19 21:02pm.

Alan Burkhart29-Dec-10 13:57

29-Dec-10 13:57

I installed XAMPP sometime back. Good product. Also have NotePad++, but I wrote my own text editor back in '06 and I like it better. NP++ is an excellent program in many ways, but it strikes me as being a bit bloated. Also have NoteTab Light, another good one. Mine has several tools I added that few other people would find useful but they work well for me. I may polish it up and submit it as a CP project at some point.

I'll drop by SB1 B4 the night is over. It's good to be back online.

Everybody SHUT UP until I finish my coffee...

cjoki4-Jan-11 4:47

cjoki

4-Jan-11 4:47

I have used many editors over the year, but have finally settled on notepad++ on windows, IMHO it is one of the best as it supports many lanuages and so I do not need to learn a new editor for a new language. It also has code complete, but you have to turn it on and it is not perfect, but still it know most of the php function names, html, javascript and css.

Sadly notepad++ is a windows only tool and so on linux I use Bluefish.

Alan Burkhart4-Jan-11 5:08

4-Jan-11 5:08

cjoki wrote:
...but have finally settled on notepad++ on windows...

NP++ is a good editor. But I (and it's just a preference on my part) don't like "mega-editors" like NP++. I want my text editor to be simple and efficient, but without a ton of bells and whistles. I wrote my own text editor that's basically just Notepad with a toolbar and few tools I use on a regular basis. I also wrote my own HTML editor sometime back (uses ScintillaNet) and would love to add a WYSIWYG option. But I have yet to see a WYSIWYG editor that generates standards-compliant code. I've pretty given up on finding one that does.

Since dropping support for the ActiveEx browser control, MS now recommends a 3rd party control called FreeTextBox [^]. But its HTML is only marginally better than MSHTML and still produces some deprecated tags. I corresponded with the author and he admitted that his control has some compliance issues, but also says changing it to use styles within span tags (instead of font tags) would create problems with some of his customers. No clue here how compliant HTML could be a "problem."

Everybody SHUT UP until I finish my coffee...

cjoki4-Jan-11 5:22

cjoki

4-Jan-11 5:22

Everyone has their preferrence, but my reasoning stands. I have written many programs/scripts in many languages: html, css, javascript, php, sql, c, c++, java, and even python and perl. And prefer to not add to the complexity of programming by having to learn a new editor for any language I use.

NP++ is clean and simple even if it is filled with 40 other languages that I will most likely never use. But if I do use them I take comfort in knowing I do not have to learn a new editor.

In my experience a WYSIWYG editors all fail and add more bloat and bad code to your files. I have never found one that generated code like what I write, nor do they save me time when hand coding when you consider having to fix the WYSIWYG mistakes.

Nuf Said
=)

Alan Burkhart4-Jan-11 5:48

4-Jan-11 5:48

cjoki wrote:
I have never found one that generated code like what I write, nor do they save me time when hand coding when you consider having to fix the WYSIWYG mistakes.

Your WYSIWYG experiences mirror my own. Where we differ is in regards to editors. I like having a dev environment specific to what I'm doing. I use VS for all my VB.Net projects, my HTML editor for web work, etc. One thing I have noticed about NP++ is that its find-replace tool is pleasingly fast when I use regular expressions. Noticeably faster than NoteTab or my own text editor.

While VS occasionally causes me to consider eating my computer, I do enjoy the drag-n-drop interface and all the tools it places at my disposal. And the tools I write for my own use are tailored for what I do, which removes the learning curve. I guess that's at the root of where we differ on editors. I often use my own tools from VB so I can make changes when I need to while working on something else. That's a wonderful (to me at least) convenience.

Everybody SHUT UP until I finish my coffee...

cjoki4-Jan-11 12:29

cjoki

4-Jan-11 12:29

I just prefer to write in a text editor over a gui interface. I feel much closer to the code.

Although for full disclosure I have delphi expereince and loved the RAD environment for application development. I also got to demo the early PHP GUI Editor when code gear (now embarcadero) first released it. My experience was just like that of MS Editor, although it did do a better job of keeping the code clean, but the code produced was way out of date. It made use of tables for page lay out instead of divs and css as was common for the day.

My end result is the same tho....a good text editor allows more control over the code made.

Just me 2 Cents.

Alan Burkhart4-Jan-11 12:40