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Jeremy Falcon23-Mar-24 5:59
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That is what most JavaScript haters sound like to me...

As an immature dev, I used to dis on COBOL. I worked with a COBOL developer on a VB app (yeah, go figure) who was left behind the times. He tried to explain "code 88s" (level 88 numbers) to me, and I was like "what the fudge". This dude was left behind and couldn't hang in the more modern world as all he knew was COBOL... this was about 20 years ago. Boy, did I feel superior... here I was all relevant and he's not. Clearly, COBOL must be a steaming pile of poo since it wasn't making sense.

Twenty years later, I did something called growing up -- sorta.** After studying the financial markets for a long time too, I've gained a better appreciation for context and history and where we came from to build up to today. Should devs stay modern? Yes. But, my disdain for COBOL more so stemmed from knowing nothing about it and its history and time and place, etc. and this guy who did nothing but format code all day that someone else wrote. As in, my reasoning was dumb, and a dev who uses COBOL and stopped learning is not the fault of COBOL itself. The more you know, the more you realize you don't know, after all.

If people want to know why I'm defensive of JavaScript? It's because 99.99% of the conversations I've had on CP about how JS sucks was by people who know little about it. I don't meet many JS experts here, but I do get the snickers, etc. I used to defend Macs on here twenty some-odd years ago for the same reasons. Despite their flaws like still using cooperative multitasking, just like 16-bit Windows did. But, don't you dare 'dis NTFS, despite the fact it was butchered in its early years... at least it fragmented less. Why, it's a bunch of Windows devs... of course they're gonna hate Macs (I don't love Macs at all now btw)... just because... yay tribalism.

Like when is enough, enough? Will programmers ever grow up? Why do we take 5 seconds to judge something and move on? When .NET first came out, I refused to use it because I wasn't going to use something that used an intermediate language (yes I know it compiles)... yet I do most of my work in JavaScript these days. Talk about irony. And yes, there objectionably better technologies than others (sometimes crap does suck), but the rationale I usually see for deeming good or bad is tenuous at best (I'm being nice here).

I could give more instances, Vulkan/WebGPU vs OpenGL/WebGL, etc. but y'all get the idea. Why can't we not have an opinion on something we know little about?

** @Marc-Clifton might disagree. Laugh | :laugh: Laugh | :laugh: Laugh | :laugh:
Jeremy Falcon

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