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Word play.
"Before entering on an understanding, I have meditated for a long time, and have foreseen what might happen. It is not genius which reveals to me suddenly, secretly, what I have to say or to do in a circumstance unexpected by other people; it is reflection, it is meditation." - Napoleon I
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It's not wordplay. They are literally two different things.
Paywall: Content is blocked without a pay per view or paid subscription. You don't get to see any of it, or maybe just a small preview.
Ads: Marketing content trying to get you to buy stuff.
Ad-blocker: Does not do anything to subvert a paywall (see definition above), but blocks ads (see other definition above)
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A colleague blocks ads (by DNS filter I think) in his home router. Might wanna read up on that.
That guy also has VPN on the router and he uses Wireguard to route all device traffic, including his phone on cellular networks, through the same VPN, and DNS filter.
"If we don't change direction, we'll end up where we're going"
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I know you like getting paid for your work.
I suspect google and youtube content producers also like that.
So you could either just watch the ads or pay for the service. So, you know, they get paid.
Or don't use the service.
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Or I can ignore your scolding and use ad-blockers like at least half the Internet does.
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The herd mentality does not justify all.
"Before entering on an understanding, I have meditated for a long time, and have foreseen what might happen. It is not genius which reveals to me suddenly, secretly, what I have to say or to do in a circumstance unexpected by other people; it is reflection, it is meditation." - Napoleon I
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I don't have cable because I can't block advertisements on it.
I don't have streaming services that have advertisements. I pay more where available to not have them.
I literally would not use 90% of the internet without an ad blocker. I do not do any avoidable advertisements in my life as a matter of principle.
So they aren't getting my impressions anyway.
Think what you will about that. You do what you can live with. I'll do what I can live with.
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I firmly believe that programmers should be held accountable for their mistakes (witness the Boeing 737 Max disasters). I am convinced that the only solution to this problem is the certification of programmers by a vendor-independent organization. Although Code Project has indicated that it is opposed to such a certification organization, I believe that the arguments offered were specious. My question is simply "Doesn't the programmer who wrote the software that caused some type of catastrophe share the responsibility for the disaster?" It is for this reason that certification is required. Once such an organization is in place, companies that do not wish to share the blame for a software-based disaster can hire a certified professional. The certified professional should then use certified journeymen and certified apprentices to design and implement the software.
I believe that it is time to organize a programmers' association that can provide certification and other benefits not available to programmers today. For example: a stable retirement fund, not affected by the continuous movement of programmers from one job to another; job protection from any number of ills that plague our profession; career guidance and referrals; legal assistance in the case it is needed; and any number of other services. Of course, there would be a cost but, hopefully, a well-spent cost.
It is time for programmers to organize, if not to obtain services not available today, but to raise their profession to a recognized standing.
Gus Gustafson
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While I agree that companies should hire qualified programmers, I don't believe they should be held accountable. It is the companies responsibility to provide the resources and time necessary to complete the task and when done to test it.
Complex programs are almost impossible to be 100% bug free so the question is what is acceptable?
As the aircraft designer said, "Simplicate and add lightness".
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Do we hold bankers or politicians accountable?
Why would I take responsibility, if I have no influence on budget or time-management? 
Bastard Programmer from Hell 
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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"Hey, you'll finish the pacemaker BIOS next week or else, buddy."
Can we start an organization like this who prevents any other organization from forming?
Their only function to ensure that no accreditation or licensing is ever a thing.
It's for the good of humanity, really. I think it might cause a mass exodus/brain drain that wouldn't really be recoverable. Too much demand and too few who know what's going on. We'll essentially have made sure we make things worse by enshrining a sort of 'standards' body right at the time we alienate and ouster a bunch of people who had the knowledge and experience to know that can't be done correctly for this. Little that comes out of it will not actually be detrimental, much less beneficial.
Force companies to fully staff accredited QA depts. It doesn't matter if we take responsibility. Everyone is going to always always make mistakes. Ideally a QA dept can function as both "tester" and as "enforcer" when it comes to things we say software shouldn't do, like killing people. The standards body we need right now is not in code quality enforcement, code, or process standards.
The one we need is probably more like a medical ethics board. But that's just impossible.
Still, I think our worse problem is not bugs and craftsmanship but more "just because you can, doesn't mean you should (or even be allowed to)".
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jochance wrote: Their only function to ensure that no accreditation or licensing is ever a thing.
Which is already a thing for IT.
jochance wrote: The one we need is probably more like a medical ethics board
Go to the one that gives me orders; the person hiring me for a specific task and paying me for exactly that. And if they ask for a nuclear bomb, I do not ask whom we kill, as I have bills to pay.
jochance wrote: I think our worse problem is not bugs and craftsmanship but more "just because you can, doesn't mean you should (or even be allowed to)"
Who decides then what we should do? Do you want to kill democracy while you're at it? 
Bastard Programmer from Hell
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote: Which is already a thing for IT.
Obviously I meant mandatory.
Eddy Vluggen wrote: Who decides then what we should do? Do you want to kill democracy while you're at it?
I'm less concerned about that at all than I am that people are doing all manner of bad and nobody even knows about it. We find out years later about Cambridge Analytica and these things. But it's massive companies doing it.
Some of this stuff will flat go away just by exposure to sunlight. They won't even try. So raise awareness, then we can worry about decisioning. It only takes people being aware for some situations to right themselves. It's only profitable because it remains secret. If people knew they did it, whatever 'it' is, the backlash is worse than the benefits reaped.
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jochance wrote: Obviously I meant mandatory.
So, you want me out? I have no official degree. At all. Just been programming for some years, got some MVP titles and my name is in some books. I paid 500 euro's to get the "minimal knowledge" to apply for an education that would lead to a degree, and after paying that and completing it, still denied.
Education is commercial. I know, after paying 500 euro's for an education that explained what variables are.
jochance wrote: I'm less concerned about that at all than I am that people are doing all manner of bad and nobody even knows about it. We find out years later about Cambridge Analytica and these things. But it's massive companies doing it.
A programmer, you do as said, or you get fired. Do you think "ethics" is going to help?
jochance wrote: Some of this stuff will flat go away just by exposure to sunlight. They won't even try. So raise awareness, then we can worry about decisioning
Shine a little light on the banking sector.
jochance wrote: It only takes people being aware for some situations to right themselves. It's only profitable because it remains secret
So why attack me, as a developer, when I do not make decisions nor have any influence on deadlines? Of course it remains a secret, that is how entrepeneurs try to outcompete other ones. Look up malicious compliance, and you'll know how I react to a "boss" that asks the impossible 
The topic is more complex than you paint it, and mandatory licenses won't solve it. I can buy a license for as little as 1000 euro - but to follow the lessons as given to get that degree would cost 2500 euro's. And I'd be spending weeks, learning about variables.
The goal is not quality, it is about maximizing profits. Our managers underbid and overpromise to get the bid, even if it isn't realistic. You get better at your job and deliver faster? Great, then the manager has a better margin to overbid, and you get shouted at for not delivering.
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"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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You misunderstand somewhere.
I was advocating for there being NO mandatory licensing to the extent we create a protectorate organization to ensure it never happens.
What I was saying was that instead of some kind of barrier to entry with accreditation and licensure, we could really use some ethical oversight. I'm just of the bent that programmers messing up important code is probably less impactful than all the code they aren't messing up that we'd really rather wish they were (or weren't writing in the first place).
Eddy Vluggen wrote: A programmer, you do as said, or you get fired. Do you think "ethics" is going to help?
That might be the way some people operate. It is not how I operate. There are some good developers who still don't want anything to do with design and only want tasks/cards to complete. Now it can be nice to just knock out tasks like that for brief spates (weeks/months), but if it was my life? No.
It's not ego or w/e... like I'm fine taking direction. It's simply they do not need _me_ if the role is working a list of tasks someone else came up with. They're not leveraging me if I'm not substantially identifying and outlining the tasks which need to be completed. It's robbing us both.
And definitely no, if you mean one of those tasks could be less than morally neutral. I've only really ever had one time in 20 yrs where the requested task felt shady. The consequences really do not matter when the other side of the scale holds your integrity.
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jochance wrote: You misunderstand somewhere.
Yeah, that's nothing new.
jochance wrote: I was advocating for there being NO mandatory licensing to the extent we create a protectorate organization to ensure it never happens.
We need something like a "degree" that confirms a minimum of knowledge. I would not trust any organization with that, as I could buy a degree.
jochance wrote: What I was saying was that instead of some kind of barrier to entry with accreditation and licensure, we could really use some ethical oversight. I'm just of the bent that programmers messing up important code is probably less impactful than all the code they aren't messing up that we'd really rather wish they were (or weren't writing in the first place).
I'm paid, I do not do ethics. You're blaming me for failures, caused by deadlines promised by sales-department?
jochance wrote: That might be the way some people operate. It is not how I operate.
Good for you. Most of us adapt to whomever pays for our service.
jochance wrote: It's simply they do not need _me_ if the role is working a list of tasks someone else came up with. They're not leveraging me if I'm not substantially identifying and outlining the tasks which need to be completed
Good if you have that choice. I take what I can.
jochance wrote: And definitely no, if you mean one of those tasks could be less than morally neutral.
Morally?
Morals do not pay my rent. Kudo's to you if you are rich enough to refuse, but I can't. I take whatever presents - and I certainly will not lecture any potential employer with "morals"; they play the game for profit, not morals.
On occasion, I have broken the law, since I was instructed and paid to do so. Moral, ethics, means nothing.
Are you advocating now for a certified minimum in knowledge, or ethics? If the latter, then I have some bankers you might want to talk to first
Bastard Programmer from Hell
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote: Morally?
Morals do not pay my rent. Kudo's to you if you are rich enough to refuse, but I can't. I take whatever presents - and I certainly will not lecture any potential employer with "morals"; they play the game for profit, not morals.
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Moral, ethics, means nothing.
In retrospect, then, going back to your original question... Yes, I do want you out. Actually, folks with that mindset can all hit the heliosphere. 
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jochance wrote: Yes, I do want you out
I respect you for that.
jochance wrote: Actually, folks with that mindset can all hit the heliosphere.
Sheep always wish the wolves be out. But without sheep, a wolf is a problem, innit?
Bastard Programmer from Hell
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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I worked a the Kennedy Space Center in the late 90's on a replacement system to launch the Shuttle (was canceled because the Shuttle was being canceled). Anyway, I remember them finding a bug in the software in place at the time that was decades old. I don't remember the exact nature of it but luckily it didn't affect the actual launching.
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C. David Barrineau wrote: but luckily it didn't affect the actual launching.
That's a good thing.
As the aircraft designer said, "Simplicate and add lightness".
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The “professional” bit sounds redundant. Why not just programmers association? I doubt non-professional programmers are able to establish an association or anything of that nature.
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gggustafson wrote: "Doesn't the programmer who wrote the software that caused some type of catastrophe share the responsibility for the disaster?"
Maybe. Apportioning blame is difficult and is often decided during lawsuits. Managers? Developers? Testers?
gggustafson wrote: I firmly believe that programmers should be held accountable for their mistakes
Doctors (at least in the US) carry extremely expensive malpractice insurance for this. Should programmers have to do the same?
gggustafson wrote: Once such an organization is in place, companies that do not wish to share the blame for a software-based disaster can hire a certified professional.
If companies don't share the blame, programmers would indeed need malpractice insurance. If not them, then maybe the professional organization, when it certifies someone who messes up.
Nothing prevents the creation of such a voluntary organization. The danger is that it leads to licensing, which
- restricts trade,
- inflates incomes for the licensed professionals, and
- enforces groupthink, which stymies innovation and has even led to licenses being cancelled for having unacceptable views.
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Greg Utas wrote: - inflates incomes for the licensed professionals
True, but I think it would also restrict the job market for those who were licensed. Companies hire engineers to solve problems for the least cost. If a licensed practitioner is more expensive, then they're only going to hire one when they are required to by contract or regulatory necessity.
I experienced a variant of this myself back in the late 1980's when I was pursuing a Master's degree in computer engineering. Interest from potential employers would evaporate because they assumed I wanted more money than my experience warranted. Fortunately the company I worked for at the time (who were paying my tuition as a benefit) laid me off, putting an end to that.
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Greg Utas wrote: restricts trade,
Absolutely.
In New York a 'Cosmetology license' requires 1,000 hours of study and pass two exams.
You know so you can cut hair.
This is not the only state that does that.
To be a 'Master Plumber' one must 'Have good moral character'. There are other requirements.
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