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Peter_in_2780 wrote: Makes you wonder how they'd handle Major Major Major Major....
A colonel is a major^4.
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats.
His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
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So give him a title of Mr and this problem goes away.
If you can't laugh at yourself - ask me and I will do it for you.
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Do we have a group on here dedicated to clone building ?
i.e., assembling your own desktop computer.
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Yes it's called the Lounge. 
The difficult we do right away...
...the impossible takes slightly longer.
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We just clone around...
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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Just built one not long ago
The less you need, the more you have.
Even a blind squirrel gets a nut...occasionally.
JaxCoder.com
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It depends what the question is. I built one a few years ago from a basic small form factor box with motherboard. I just had to add processor, memory, HDD, video and network card. All in all quite a simple process.
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The one detail I did learn was simple: work out how much power all the bits are going to take and add 25%. Then buy the next size up PSU ... 
It's surprising how much power a good CPU and GPU can take: a top end GPU can be around 400W peak - which means you will probably need a 800W PSU or more once you figure in the processor, ram, drives, and USB peripherals.
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
"Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt
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Personally unless he really needs the PC I'd wait until GPU prices come down. Although you can get them now they are grossly over priced.
The less you need, the more you have.
Even a blind squirrel gets a nut...occasionally.
JaxCoder.com
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I had to try the drops for several weeks, but I got my Radeon 6900 xt at AMD shop prices (around 990€).
M.D.V. 
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
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Good deal!
You are one of the lucky ones then.
The less you need, the more you have.
Even a blind squirrel gets a nut...occasionally.
JaxCoder.com
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10 weeks trying. Every Thursday there was a drop around 300 units, sometimes out of stock again within seconds.
M.D.V.
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
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I've been doing the same with the GeForce 3080, although they are available they are $1000 over the price they were before pandemic. I'll wait!
The less you need, the more you have.
Even a blind squirrel gets a nut...occasionally.
JaxCoder.com
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Even at manufacturer shop? 
M.D.V.
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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They don't sell direct
The less you need, the more you have.
Even a blind squirrel gets a nut...occasionally.
JaxCoder.com
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Unless you're building a PC for extreme gaming, buying a GPU card that draws 400W is completely crazy. (Well, persponally I think it is crazy even if your primary activity is gaming.)
For most of what I understand by "desktop" use, the built-in GPU in the latest CPU chips is probably more than enough. My main computer is equipped with a display card released more than nine years ago (a GeForce GTX 660 Ti) - I am sure that the integrated GPU in today's CPUs will run in circles around it. Yet I feel no real need for anything faster. But then: I don't play computer games at all. I edit digital HD videos. I play around with SketchUp; the model of my house and garden has 8.8 million edges and 4.2 million faces - that is the one single application where I notice any lagging in the graphics part, but it is tolerable.
Sometimes I challenge extreme-PC owners to show me how their 64 GByte of RAM is filled up, their 12 cores run up to 100%, their Gbps fiber connection runs at full speed and the disk channel is saturated. They always fail miserably, even when making serious attempts on loading sixteen hugge applications and skipping like crazy from one to the other in an attempt to run into some saturation point somewhere. An extreme gamer may be capable of saturating his GPU (because the software is designed to utilize all GPU power available!), but the rest of the system has plenty of capacity. Regardless of any realistic desktop application mix.
Some people brag with their cars. Others with their jewels. Some with their PCs. And they laugh at my nine years old GPU. Let them laugh - it satisfies my needs!
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I also have a GTX660Ti - because the onboard graphics are 1) slow, even for Windows, and 2) only support one monitor. My 660 supports 3 (and plays GTA V as a nice bonus)
Even that requires 250W peak current, which means a 450W PSU is really the minimum. As I found out when my 250W just couldn't cope ... sometimes. 
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
"Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt
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Some people just enjoy a high performing PC. It's not something meant to "brag" or put anybody else down. Sounds like somebody is feeling just a little inadequate.
The difficult we do right away...
...the impossible takes slightly longer.
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Richard Andrew x64 wrote: Sounds like somebody is feeling just a little inadequate.
I am sure that is why they feel a need to compensate it with a mammoth PC.
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I had built my last four computers but video cards cost too much these days and I couldn't find the one I wanted in stock for a decent price. For these reasons, I bought my last one. It has a 3090 GPU and a liquid cooled set up. The other day I wanted to find out what it would cost today and I found that because of some new laws that went into effect on 1 July I can no longer buy this computer where I live because it draws too much power at 1000W. I got it about one month before the law took effect. Similar laws are now in effect in six states of the USA.
"They have a consciousness, they have a life, they have a soul! Damn you! Let the rabbits wear glasses! Save our brothers! Can I get an amen?"
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We had the same thing here with vacuum cleaners - EU law reduced the max power to 1600W then to 900W, probably to make rechargeable ones competitive, despite the major effect being they just don't suck as well.
I've still got my 1900W, which actually copes with cat hair!
Lawmakers don't care if their changes mean that something just doesn't work any more, just that it fits their agenda (or more likely the agenda of whoever paid them most to adopt it).
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
"Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt
AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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A good CPU draws only a 6mA (max, according to the data sheet, only 3mA on average) operating current. 30mW (15mW on average) wenn running at full blast. What a battery life if you use it in a mobile device, but go easy on the LEDs. Every single one needs more power than the processor.
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats.
His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
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