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I've been driving hands-free for over 20 years. This is nothing new. 
It is interesting to me that society is so afraid to embrace self-driving cars even though if you take one second to stop and think about it, the roads will be many times safer with a computer driving the car rather than a human. But people resist change.
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SeanChupas wrote: It is interesting to me that society is so afraid to embrace self-driving cars
Just some food for thought:
Here, we've a lot of software makers - many of whom do it for a living and any new item is potential income - yet you may notice the preponderance of opinion is closer to terror than glee.
Could it be they/we know something?
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SeanChupas wrote: I've been driving hands-free for over 20 years. This is nothing new
Not all of us can afford a chauffeur.
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SeanChupas wrote: if you take one second to stop and think about it, the roads will be many times safer with a computer driving the car rather than a human. But people resist change.
The software between my ears has been improved over many generations, using genetic methods (i.e. those that didn't have a decent algorithm usually didn't live long enough to reproduce). The software in these cars was produced by a group of 20-year-old whiz-kids who work for the lowest bidder, and has little to no track record.
What software should I trust more?
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
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Daniel Pfeffer wrote: he software in these cars was produced by a group of 20-year-old whiz-kids who work for the lowest bidder
Not true at all. Can you imagine? These businesses understand the legal ramifications of having buggy software.
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Yes, but airline travel is still the most safe and secure way to travel.
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Have you ever actually read the EULA for any software? The software is not sold , it is licensed. This gets around the "fitness for some purpose" language in most consumer protection laws.
The licensor typically does not warrant that the software can do anything, and limits any damages (if even applicable) to the cost of the software.
You will only start seeing bug-free software (at a premium price...) when such license "agreements" are made illegal.
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
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Daniel Pfeffer wrote: Have you ever actually read the EULA for any software? The software is not sold , it is licensed. This gets around the "fitness for some purpose" language in most consumer protection laws.
You think that would hold up in court if your buggy code killed someone?
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Given that self-driving cars can be fooled by lines painted on the road, terror is merited. I recently went through a construction area where I had to guess where the lane was, there were so many conflicting lines painted on the road.
Self-driving vehicles will not really work until the software can handle all conditions and/or all roads have the markings 100% maintained.
The vendors say the driver has to pay full attention and keep their hands on the wheel. If this is so, why do I need a self-driving car?
This is not ready for prime time.
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BryanFazekas wrote: This is not ready for prime time.
Correct. But it won't be long and it is coming.
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My dad's 2019 Hyundai has an annoying "keep your hands on the wheel at all times" warning.
And Ford is introducing a vehicle that favors hands-free driving in 2021?
Seems like not all car manufacturers are reading the same rule book.
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My Skoda complains if I don't make a steering input every 5 seconds or so. (Normally) fine on country roads but I often have to "weave" on motorways just to keep the car happy. But it does steer me if I let it, and it also once hit the brakes hard when the vehicle in front did an emergency stop. So I do think it's getting there (except it drives me based on the dry line on a fast road, rather than the actual lane markings...). However on the narrow country lanes round here, it would be hopeless. There are too many potholes, missing kerbs, projecting branches, and idiots who drive cars that are more than 50% width of the road... not to mention horses, wildlife etc.. etc..
Ford may plan to sell 100,000 vehicles, but is there anywhere "driving" such vehicles, other than as part of a testing programme, is legal? Or is this going to be like Windows, with public beta testing?
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I'm waiting for motor racing to upgrade to self driving cars.
Nothing succeeds like a budgie without teeth.
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I'm glad I won't be the traffic officer standing in the middle of the intersection blowing my whistle pointing to the auto-tonomous and hoping the software knows what my waving arms are saying.
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Of course it will know what your waving arms mean:
Toro! Toro! Toro!
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Oh, there were a few movies, and a TV show. "Knight Rider", "Duel",..."Christine".
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And if there's a software problem can we call it "Buggy Code"?
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They have the name all wrong
It should be BRAIN FREE DRIVING
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Choroid wrote: BRAIN FREE DRIVING
Then it wouldn't have been news, would it?
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Quote: So Belmonte teamed up with scientists in China and elsewhere to try something different.
A forgone conclusion - they may be running out of Falun Gong prisoners[^].
They may also want a new export . . . or rather a new source of a current export.
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seems the world is running out of hand in a hurry
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... is upside down 
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It's the right way up for Australians.
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
"Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt
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