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When I saw your post, I wondered how badly you were going to get flamed, given the popularity of C# on this site. I never thought this thread would stay so civilized, let alone be fairly positive. 
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I share your surprise.
Real programmers use butterflies
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The day is not over yet.  
M.D.V. 
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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I don't hate C++, but I don't share your sentiments. This is almost certainly my own failing, though—it's not a problem with the language so much (which is alright, I guess), I just always end up fighting with the compiler/linker. I've never worked with C++ enough to become much more than minimally competent with it.
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There's a certain point - and it can take awhile with C++ - where you reach a level that it is no longer intimidating or as frustrating.
True, I did recently spend all morning and ask a stackoverflow question because I missed a "=0" at the end of one of my functions and was responded to with "missing vtable for class" or some such, but that's life, you know?
Real programmers use butterflies
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honey the codewitch wrote: The only downside with it is it hides nothing
Actually, it does. Time to move to Assembly.
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Okay that's fair, except I can't think of much I can't get to in C++ with the right massaging of the compiler. I can manually build vtbls, i can make call stack frames myself, typically, I can even drop to inline assembly if I really want.
So I see it more as giving you more tools than ASM. I don't think it takes anything away.
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Make your own vtbls and call stack frames? Do tell. When do you find this useful?
My naughtiest code changed an object's class at runtime by changing its vptr. The two classes in question had a common base class and owned other objects, so this avoided a messy deep copy and fixing pointers to the morphed object. I wonder how many OO languages could do that.
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The call stack frames can be useful for doing things like method logging frameworks
The vtbl manipulation is useful if your making a library to do hardcore COM interop
Real programmers use butterflies
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John Lennon said, "All you need is love."
"They have a consciousness, they have a life, they have a soul! Damn you! Let the rabbits wear glasses! Save our brothers! Can I get an amen?"
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And look what happened to him
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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I stumbled upon this company while reading an author's bio on dev.to.
The author works for: https://www.gatsbyjs.com/[^]
Have you ever heard of it?
I haven't.
Have you ever used it?
It's a library that helps you build React interfaces.
I'm wondering how do these companies make enough $$$ to stay in business?
I just don't know who is using this stuff??  I don't understand it.
If someone could explain it, then I would write my JS library and live off the royalties too. 
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raddevus wrote: I would write my JS library and live off the royalties
Obligatory Commit Strip[^]
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
"Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt
AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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OriginalGriff wrote: Obligatory Commit Strip[^]
Yep, that's the reality!! 
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raddevus wrote: I'm wondering how do these companies make enough $$$ to stay in business?
You borrow 50M in funding from venture capitol groups[^]. You promise them X in return if you are successful. You have Y years to make a return on the investment.
Looks like they are in the third round of funding[^].
Most startups fail. Some of my friends did the same thing, after 3 years they ran out of money and were hired at F---Book as developers. About 22% of startups fail in the first year, 30% in the second year, and about 50% around the fifth year.
Best Wishes,
-David Delaune
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Randor wrote: Looks like they are in the third round of funding[^].
So crazy!! All that money just laying on the table, ready for grabsy.
Well, I'm off to gen up my JS library. let's see, all I really need is a good name for it.
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raddevus wrote: All that money just laying on the table
Looks glamorous doesn't it? Trust me, it's not... a friend of mine lived in a one-bedroom apartment eating ramen noodles for a few years while working 12+ hours a day while blasting through the funding. Didn't make any profit and had to enter back into the workplace.
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Randor wrote: eating ramen noodles for a few years while working 12+ hours a day while blasting through the funding. Didn't make any profit and had to enter back into the workplace.
He really must not have been good with $$$. If I had $50 million I could write you up a framework using the first $25 million and pocket the other $25 million.
Don't believe me. Send me the $50 million and we'll get started.
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raddevus wrote: Send me the $50 million and we'll get started
Can you take monthly installments ? 
«One day it will have to be officially admitted that what we have christened reality is an even greater illusion than the world of dreams.» Salvador Dali
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BillWoodruff wrote: Can you take monthly installments ?
Absolutely. Any which way you can send the $$$ send them and I'll work out the spending of it.
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My response is not KSS -- but have a good look at that name... 
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Step 1: Make a LOTR reference in your slogan*.
Step 2: ???
Step 3: Profit 
* I don't think they understood the books and/or movie, the master ring to "rule them all" was evil, created by an evil being, to enslave all life on earth. Or maybe they understood all too well and that fills in step 2...
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I thought the same thing about the LOTR quote. It was a weird thing.
When I hear Gatsby I'm thinking it's going to be marketed as The Great Gatsby novel and F. Scott Fitzgerald kind of things. Then they go with that LOTR quote. Totally confusing.
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Not heard of it? But, but ... it's the "#1 fastest growing framework*" [sic]
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