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Nelek wrote: You are cleverly not adressing anyone in your comment,
why should i be "addressing" anyone? i'm replying to you.
Nelek wrote: a thread that has been relative neutral
what on earth are you talking about?
it seems pretty unanimous that people regard the SB as "a sewer", "toxic", "poisonouse" (your own word), "crude". people here are described as "people that I would probably hate in real life"
and you're upset because i pointed out that it was full of racism ? in addition to everything above, it was full of racism. and that's a big reason why i stopped going there, long before Chris pulled the plug on it.
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Chris Losinger wrote: why should i be "addressing" anyone? i'm replying to you.
I meant in the original message, not the "lol" you answered me.
Chris Losinger wrote: and you're upset because i pointed out that it was full of racism
That's the difference, we were mostly speaking about a place or the messages. Should you have said it like this the first time... I would have told you nothing.
And I am not upset, I just didn't like your comment:
Chris Losinger wrote: which CP members were racist sacks of garbage.
You took the personal way directly insulting some people. There is a subtile difference between both approaches.
This is exactly the way to start a "fight" which was my point the whole time.
We could continue like this for long time, but I am not going to do it.
If you want to see the difference I tried to point you, perfect. If not... well, then don't.
I just don't want to get into the loop. So... Have a nice time 
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Nelek wrote: You took the personal way directly insulting some people.
name them.
name the people i "directly insulted"
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Quote: We could continue like this for long time, but I am not going to do it.
If you want to see the difference I tried to point you, perfect. If not... well, then don't.
I just don't want to get into the loop. So... Have a nice time
Have a nice time
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Nelek wrote: You took the personal way directly insulting some people.
Bullshit. Name one person he personally insulted.
Nelek wrote: This is exactly the way to start a "fight" which was my point the whole time.
And your attitude expressed in this comment is EXACTLY why the SB needed to be closed. A few people in it took umbrage at other people's comments even when there wasn't anything to be mad about. Then the trolling began, and it was no longer fun to read for anyone except the trolls.
Have a good night!
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David O'Neil wrote:
Have a good night!
Thank you, you too 
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Hi again developers 
I study my first semester of computer science, and I like programming and computers but I feel like evrything is going too fast. We are jumping from one subject to another and we learn everything at once. We started to learn java in september and now we are jumping into PHP and databases, Swing, JavaFX, UML and professional software enginnering arcituctures, algorithms and propositional logic. I hardly managed to learn basic Java concepts and practice them and I already have to build Java Swing applications, manage databases and know common algorithms and on top of that train up my propositional logic-skills.
I simple don't have time for that even if I would like to. I watch the lectures online (Because of COVID-19 we have online classes), but I don't learn anything from them that is requiered to pass the exams. If you want to pass the exams the school books and lectures aren't enough. You have to learn from other sources. After reading 1000 pages of a book I realize that I only learn a tiny bit of what I have to know to survive. I feel like I only study, from morning to evening but yet don't manage to learn what I have to know in order to pass exams. And now I wonder... Is Computer Science only meant for people who are already programmers and who know everything about computers, or maybe I have severe ADHD?
Because I can't focus on so many tasks and subjects at once. It takes much effort for me to focus on one thing and then I have to jump to another and another... When I focus on one subject and one thing, I usually do well, and I pass my exams, but if I have to do many tasks, study for many exams I can't do it... If I would teach myself programming at home I could go up to this level and I think I could do well, because I really have intrest and motivation, but because of my CS I don't really want to do it anymore. I wonder how people who never wrote any code in their life manage to pass these exams.
I feel like people who didn't have any prior knowledge about programming when they started these courses do better than me. I don't know if it make sense to continue, becase my loan is geting higher and higher and I'm... getting dumber and dumber haha 
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CS is for a certain type of thinker. You can be smart, driven and focused and simply not be that type of thinker. My husband is all of those things but he tried CS and it didn't pan out for him. He wound up becoming a religious studies major, and then learning several languages. I struggle with just the one. But he'll never do CS. I'll never speak Mixtec.
I'm not saying that's necessarily your situation. I don't know enough about you. It could be that your learning style doesn't mesh with their teaching style.
Can I ask if you went in knowing any CS or was it all new to you?
For my part, I never want to uni. I was at microsoft at 18 but I also know I didn't have a lot of the ancillary skills necessary to do well in that type of academic environment, like just the rigor and the propensity for good study habits.
The reason I bring that up is it might be that you can code, but uni can't teach you.
For my part, knowing only what I know about you from this post, I would have a plan B in mind, and hopefully a minor in something really solid, but I wouldn't switch majors just yet.
I don't know if they have tutors for CS stuff but if they do, maybe see about getting one.
Real programmers use butterflies
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When I started studying at university I was preparing myself and read some books on Java. It was hard but I did learn the syntax and the basic concepts and how to make objects and what classes are and so on. But I feel like everything goes too fast. I have my own tempo. I understand what I learn and find it intresting but I'm a slow learner. I learn most effective by reading entire books. Lectures don't work for me at all. After listening to a lecture I still have very little knowledge and the teacher just talks and I can't push the stop button so if I don't get what he/she keeps talking. My focus is bad when I'm listening, because I easily get distracted so I prefer online courses or books so I can pause and think about what I learned. It's not that I don't get what I learn. It's just that no one will wait for me to and I'm really slow. When I already have learnt things I'm fast but my learning process is very slow and I simply can't catch up on the material. I have motivation, I enjoy what I'm doing but I'm too slow and I always behind and I fear that in the end will fail too many courses and have to drop out anyway and have a big loan that I have to pay off working as a cleaner 
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I don't even know where to start, so let's have some fun first.
Your profile says you're in the US but you call it university rather than college?! I call BS on your supposed location. 
I'm surprised that CS is focusing this much on software. When I took it in the latter half of the '70s, our second year mandatory courses were calculus and linear algebra (FFS) besides two programming courses (algorithms/Pascal; assembler). Later there was more programming, but still some math-oriented things.
Not only that, but this sounds like a baptism of fire, jumping all over the place. It's as if they want you to be able to check off a bunch of boxes on a job application rather than learn how to really do software by focusing on a narrower set of things in depth. Jack-of-all-trades, master of none.
What size is your cohort? Mine was about 60 in 2nd year, dropping to 7 in 4th year (as there was also the option to graduate with a 3-year degree). But I have to wonder if they're trying to weed out a ton of folks, in which case all you need to do is survive for a bit. I suspect many of your classmates are also feeling overwhelmed, and based on what you wrote previously, I think you have a good shot to make it through if you focus. If you can record your lectures, maybe that would help. I'm also a slow learner, but things worked out in the end.
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Better advice than i gave. 
I am from the US, but I call college "uni" a lot of times. I rarely say "university" though.
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I thought "uni" was British!
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It is. Because of my odd sleep patterns and my being monolingual I wind up talking to lots of british folks online and pick up some britishisms in the process.
"you lot"
"uni"
"can't be arsed"
etc
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Lol, I'm not british. My english grammar and spelling is terrible. But I use british words because in Europe british english is dominant in all textbooks for english classes. When you learn english as a foreigner you allways listen to the tapes recorded by Britts and you have no choice to learn american english. Than you watch some Youtube-videos and you learn some american english, and than som australian english and you end up mixing words from every dialect without knowing the difference.
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British-American Dictionary[^]
They should add other English-speaking countries too. Canadian is closer to American but sometimes follows British. There there'd be the English used in Australia, New Zealand, Ireland, South Africa, India...the first two probably qualify as a different dialect!
Off the top of my hand, a couple of Canadian ones that usually puzzle Americans are
- eavestrough = US gutter (sometimes used here too, but usually means where water runs along the curb/kerb)
- soother = US pacifier
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...and then, of course, you have the individual English regional dialects...
Whey, man, divn't drop ya dottle on the proggie mat o the gapher'll kick yi oot....
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Leo56 wrote: Whey, man, divn't drop ya dottle on the proggie mat o the gapher'll kick yi oot.
American regional dialects also exist. Most aren't quite as incomprehensible to the outsider as that...
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
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British English is a language.
American English is a dialect.
Australian English is a speaking disorder.
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Close, but no cigar!.
Eavesthough - is just what it says, a trough along the eaves of a house to catch and direct rainwater. In the U.S. it's called a gutter, true, but the translation doesn't go both ways
It's been a long time since I lived in England, but I believe the roadside rain catcher is called a gutter there too.
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I didn't mean to imply that it went both ways. Eavestroughing is only what's on a house.
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*lol* "can't be arsed".... I'd love to hear that in an American accent...
Though I have yet to hear an American say "Ask me bollocks" (regardless of how they swing... pun intended)
Who the f*** is General Failure, and why is he reading my harddisk?
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Well, I'm not from US. I can't tell you where I'm from because of privacy If you're a hacker you can check it yourself though  . Actually my degree can be translated to Software Engineering but after 3 years I can continue and be master of Computer Science (Which I already know I won't ).
It's as if they want you to be able to check off a bunch of boxes
I have the same feeling. I just study for the exams but still am not good at anything, because there is no time to deep dive in what we learn...
What size is your cohort?
We are about 110, and I don't see anyone dropping out. It seems like everyone doing well besides me I'm happy for them but it makes me feel extremly dumb. But maybe I'm wrong? I never meet my classmates because of COVID-19 so I can't tell how they actually do.
But I have to wonder if they're trying to weed out a ton of folks
Yeah, I think you are right about it. This is exactly what I think. They want to get rid of us who are beginners and unexperienced and focus on grinding only the real diamonds of programming. Well, I can't blame them, but they should have different requirements before they take in people, because "college" costs and someone can end up with a huge loan and wasted time. I'm lucky that I at least enjoy what I do even if I fail to deliver. I feel sorry for those who are total beginners.
Anyhow thank's for comfort. I already thought about retaking the courses but in my country you have to fail on many exams to do that. I failed only one exam in each course and have second chance to retake them, so I have to continue. You would probably say: So it's not that bad. What's the problem? Well, I don't feel like I have strong fundaments to continue with more advanced stuff, because I didn't learn my basics well. I have a feeling that everything gonna collapse soon like a house of card when the harder stuffs come. Anyway, thanks for reading my whining post. I feel a little bit better. I will give it another try... I probably come back whining after about a month and it goes on a loop for two and a half years Moderators better block me already
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Member 14971499 wrote: I can't tell you where I'm from because of privacy
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Member 14971499 wrote: They want to get rid of us who are beginners and unexperienced and focus on grinding only the real diamonds of programming.
Sorry... but that is bullsh1t. Get rid of many... yes. But keep the real diamonds of programming... totally wrong.
Being able to pass exams in the university has nothing to do with being a good programmer. I know a lot of very good programmers who have no studies and are self taught. And I had a lot of co-students that were passing the exams even with good marks but then couldn't do anything useful in the real world.
I had myself a lot of problems at the beginning of my studies because I had the feeling of not learning enough. Then I was afraid of the exams because I pushed myself down like you. Somewhen I just realized that to pass the exams I didn't need to know all the stuff properly. So I changed my mindset. I focused in passing the exams and learned later what I thought it was more important for me.
Besides from all the academic content that I learned during the studies I have only needed a small part in my professional life.
The most important things I learned where actually "passive" or "non academic" skills, like how to use logic to find the root of a problem, how to learn by myself, how to discriminate relevant from non relevant information in a text and things like that.
Once I started working in the automation, I had to almost start over, because it was mostly new stuff I had not seen during studies.
One of the most important things you have to understand is... the degree will only be useful for your very first job. Afterwards experience and successfull projects are more important than what you studied.
TL;DR: Learn how to pass the exams and get the degree, get your first job, then learn what you need in your job while look for a better job that fits better what you like.
M.D.V.
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
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