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Yeah I'm aware of those frameworks. I'm making kind of a C# wrapper for a service that's more geared toward parallel programming, and using messaging both inproc and out of proc to do thread synch (in proc) and remote communication with the controller app (out of proc)
Plus it's self hosting singleton app as well and can be run/stopped/installed/uninstalled with command line switches too.
It's a mess to develop, the messaging in particular is very challenging. I enjoy a challenge but I may have to work on this in fits and starts for a bit before I get any traction with it.
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And then you will have to rewrite everything for .NET Core 
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Pardon a simple-minded question (or two), but... why does a service (which has no UI) need a message pump?
OK. So there are obscure cases where you must have a message pump, even in a service without a UI. Can't you just spawn a UI thread and pump the messages in that?
Software Zen: delete this;
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For thread synchronization and for IPC. It's using message passing for that.
I could do Application.Run and then use WindowsFormsSynchronizationContext or whatever it is, but I'd rather not, as that's sloppy as hell.
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I assume you've looked at Topshelf[^], and the ActionThread class from Stephen Cleary's Nito.Asynchronous[^] library?
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I haven't seen TopShelf but I have heard it mentioned before 
The Nito.Asynchronous library I've looked at but while it's fascinating, i don't think it solves my problems with ServiceBase.Run()
What would be easy in an unmanaged service has become astoundingly difficult in .NET because of how they designed - in particular - ServiceBase.Run()
You know why I think they did it? It's easier for the beginners when your service doesn't exit at the end of your Main() function.
So my guess is Run() just blocks for that reason. It's ridiculous the idea that more advanced developers would have to suffer the limitations put in the framework for beginners. One of the reasons I liked .NET in first place is it doesn't "hide" anything. Everything is exposed if you know where to look. The training wheels are optional.
But ServiceBase.Run() seems to be a break from that pattern.
Edit: Oh no, I forgot about the Service Control Dispatcher thread that win32 needs to host services. Looks like Run() is being tied up there. That's at least reasonable, as I can shift that to any thread I want.
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modified 28-Jul-20 5:41am.
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Message passing allows you to send something to another thread or perhaps process or machine(s), to be processed on the remote end.
Usually, you have a fixed number of "messages" that the other side understands, but what if you could send *code* in the stream, even across process or network?
Doing that would allow your service to be extensible by its clients. As the clients upgrade their capabilities the server follows suit, sometimes without changing it at all.
There are two problems with this - complexity and security.
There is a solution to both - something like a Pike VM like this Regex as a Tiny "Threaded" Virtual Machine[^]
Except with more than 7 or so instructions. It could be built up to be mini VM that understands say 20 different bytecode instructions. If you find that's eating up bandwidth add more instructions that do more complicated things, making them "chunkier", until the VM is mature. Once it gets there you can do like I said with the extensible service.
This is either the dumbest idea I've had in the past two weeks to the best. I'm still not sure. Maybe coffee will clear it up. 
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Who's the "user"? Most can't formulate a SQL query. You'll wind up with "libraries" (somewhere) in any event.
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The client software would deal with the complexity. Most of the dev end would be on the client code, since the service itself can be extended. I wouldn't expect a user to ever touch the bytecode
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Quote: There are two problems with this - complexity security and security.
FTFY
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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With the VM you can give it access only to certain things. My memory is a managed byte array with clear bounds, my set of instructions are limited to the low level operations the server is capable of, so say you did this with a machine with like 4 tesla cards (or whatever they're calling them today), and the clients could offload rendering operations (not necessarily realtime, but quick)
then your client wants to be able to say, motion blur something. You could write the transform for that in the bytecode.
What instructions the VM takes depends on what the service does. But I don't think custom graphics filters for example, would pose much security risk. If all your instructions deal in math or pixels and polygons.
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The problem there is the same as most "exploits" on Windows (and other systems, including Linux based stand alone hardware): any tiny mistake can expose stuff you didn't expect to. Just think of the number of buffer overrun exploits you heard about a few years ago. Allowing "downloaded code" to run is always a security risk, even if you are pretty sure nothing can get outside the sandbox ...
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You're not wrong
This is why we can't have nice things.
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Thomas Huxley: The great tragedy of science - the slaying of a beautiful hypothesis by an ugly fact.
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Facts schmacts.
Believe what is beautiful, but check your work.
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You beat me to it 
cheers
Chris Maunder
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Your idea gave me an idea!
I can use the lounge for a reminder board and ToDo list.
Absolutely awesome! Thanks !
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It wasn't really a todo. It was intended to start a discussion about an idea. It has. I'm sorry if you feel my message shouldn't have been posted.
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You have to lighten up in your interpretation, often ending up as self criticism.
I was just making a funny - I usually forget to click any of the radio buttons for a post.
It's the lounge. Relax. Take off your shoes.
Burp Phart Make yourself comfortable.
You're among friends, here.
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sorry, i've gotten a lot of crap about what I post from other commenters here. i guess i read your post in the wrong light.
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Oi! No pharting in the lounge please. That's what elevators are for.
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Yeah. I know.
But how else can we tell you we like you so expressively?
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You are so full of .... hot air
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OK - it's time you're given the facts of life.
In this case, did you ever wonder why a phart stinks?
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It's for the benefit of those who didn't hear it.
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