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Sander Rossel wrote: I just hope I won't live to see the end of the world
I wouldn't worry. The advanced countries will probably collapse first, when the supply chains break down. The less developed countries, with their shorter supply chains, will probably last longer...
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
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Daniel Pfeffer wrote: I wouldn't worry. The advanced countries will probably collapse first
But I live in an advanced country 
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That's my point; you'll be dead long before the end of the world. 
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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Oh.
Thanks, I feel better now 
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Sander Rossel wrote: We're running out of resources
Which ones?
Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other.
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it.
Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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I guess all of them, if we continue on long enough 
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One simple solution is for people to start gardening more. I don't think we're close at all to running out of resources. If you ever drive through the US there is so much open and unused space in our country. And I'm sure other countries are similar.
The problem is people are too dependent on a system that may not be able to distribute resources, but it's not the resources themselves that are running in short supply.
Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other.
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it.
Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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ZurdoDev wrote: start gardening more
That would probably be good for the environment, but it won't give us oil[^], sand[^] or phosphor[^].*
ZurdoDev wrote: The problem is people are too dependent on a system that may not be able to distribute resources
If the entire world lived as North America and Europe do, I think we're doomed.
Furthermore, if insects, for example, went extinct[^], we'd have a huge problem as well.
Some areas have an insect population decline of 75%, that's A LOT!
Redistributing resources won't help here.
ZurdoDev wrote: there is so much open and unused space in our country
Not in the Netherlands.
We have only 14,6% of forests and open natural terrain 
66,9% is agrarian and the rest is for housings (10,6%), traffic (4,9%) and recreation (3%).
We're telling Brazil not to torch the rain forest, and rightfully so, but we've already removed nearly all of our own forests so it's hypocritical as well.
Can you imagine if everyone did that and the entire world would have only 15% of nature? 
We're also one of the most densely populated countries in the world.
All in all, I can say, don't make those same mistakes.
* I haven't checked these sources, but it's safe to say the mentioned resources aren't in limitless supply so we will run out someday if we continue to use them as we do.
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We just need to adapt. Solar energy would fix a lot of those issues.
Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other.
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it.
Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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I think there are plenty of people who found BitCoin useful, just not the average suckers who bought them.
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Mastering something leads to it being boring, IMO. I mean, not entirely. I can still love something but not have the thrill of the challenge anymore. I feel that way with C#. I know the CLI and CLR pretty well. I know the language to the point where it feels like a second skin, which is maybe creepy, I guess.  With my background in Win32 and C I can p/invoke anything I can't do with the above, and there's nothing left I'm intimidated by. All that's left is to teach.
I like languages to challenge me. I get that from C++. I still believe C++ takes a lifetime of dedication to master, and maybe outside some real witches, more than one. Javascript is challenging but sometimes for different reasons, and again I think it takes much longer to master than C#.
That's also a strength of C# though. There's clearer boundaries in terms of what you can do with it. With C++ and javascript there are so many different techniques, and patterns to get things done you get lost in it all.
I don't know, maybe I'm wrong. It's just how it feels to me.
Real programmers use butterflies
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Nah, mastering domething means I don't feel like I'm a fraud anymore.
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
Never stop dreaming - Freddie Kruger
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I tend to get "imposter syndrome" anyway where I feel like I'm a phony after having mastered something. Apparently it's common.
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honey the codewitch wrote: Mastering something leads to it being boring, IMO. I mean, not entirely. I can still love something but not have the thrill of the challenge anymore.
Are we talking programming languages or men here?
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haha
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honey the codewitch wrote:
I like languages to challenge me.
Why?
A language is to a programmer like a wrench is to an auto mechanic or a hammer is to a carpenter. Why would you want the very tool that is helping you to solve a problem (or the mechanic to repair a car, or the carpenter build a house) be the challenge? That's absurd.
"One man's wage rise is another man's price increase." - Harold Wilson
"Fireproof doesn't mean the fire will never come. It means when the fire comes that you will be able to withstand it." - Michael Simmons
"You can easily judge the character of a man by how he treats those who can do nothing for him." - James D. Miles
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If I took a completely utilitarian approach to code, maybe it would be absurd, but I don't look at code as simply something to solve a problem. I look at it as an intellectual pursuit.
Generally coding for work rarely challenges me, but I'm not in the field anymore so I get to code what I want.
And I code for its own sake. I love the craft. One of the reasons C++ is so challenging is you can do so much with it. There's always more to learn. 
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I'm sure that sentiment is what keeps (most of) us going. If there is no challenge, no intellectual pursuit, no learning something new, no testing different ideas (even if they turn out to be awful), then we don't grow and will just atrophy. Where would be the excitement if we just churned out the same old stuff day in, day out? We need to advance ourselves and grow. Maybe 99% of what we discover we'll never use again, but even that is expansion of our world view; and the other 1% is the gold nuggets that make it exciting and spur us to carry on.
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Having no box to think outside of, I get to enjoy it in three of the four ways one could enjoy it.
- The challenge of learning a knew language (competently)
- The challenge of solving a problem (independently of the language question).
- The challenge of solving a problem with the constraint of a particular language (or set of them)
- the fourth option in this truth-table view of it, the not learning a language to not solve a problem.
By the way - if you can somehow convolute the last of these into a way to get your work done, you will have truly become 'the Master[^]'.
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You can't claim you've truly mastered it until you find the 'cheat codes'.
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honey the codewitch wrote: I still believe C++ takes a lifetime of dedication to master
I do not think so. I am a C++ master, and I hope my life ain't going to end up shortly. 
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No offense, but if your name isn't Bjarne I find it hard to believe.
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Na, the student seems to have surpassed his teacher. 
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honey the codewitch wrote: Mastering something leads to it being boring, IMO. I mean, not entirely. I can still love something but not have the thrill of the challenge anymore.
Perhaps you can demonstrate your mastery by turning some of your massive code-clusters published here ... as inscrutable as cuneiform tablets ... into usable tools ? Perhaps revisit these ziggurats your psyche has conjured on the darkling plane ... honey the codewitch wrote: All that's left is to teach.
I look forward to learning from you !
The thrill of knowing your mortal peers found your work useful could be, imho, as electric as knowing your genius is marvelled at 
«One day it will have to be officially admitted that what we have christened reality is an even greater illusion than the world of dreams.» Salvador Dali
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