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just so you know, "at risk" groups for covid are the same exact "at risk" groups for most strains of flu. The sames strains of flu that kill these "at risk" people every year.
the media has you thinking covid is special, it really isn't. and now we are finding out that the mortality rate for covid is coming back inline with a bad flu season, just like Johns Hopkins originally said at the beginning of all of this.
I am an insulin dependent diabetic - at high risk. I stand the same chance of dying from the flu as I do with covid 19.
I don't shrug it off, I just don't think crazy and stupid laws are the answer.
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Slacker007 wrote: the media has you thinking covid is special, it really isn't.
Rather than reading fake news I listen to what the scientists say; and they are still not agreed on what we should do. So until they are I think the government is taking a reasonably sensible course.
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Richard MacCutchan wrote: and they are still not agreed on what we should do.
and they never will be. their answers are dictated by the political narrative and you can't convince me otherwise.
cheers, and good luck. Hope your family remains safe and well.
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I am not trying to convince you, just giving my views.
And I trust that you are keeping safe also. My eldest son is type 1 diabetic (for the last 40 years) so I have a little experience of the condition.
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Richard MacCutchan wrote: Rather than reading fake news I listen to what the scientists say;
Like the scientists that had their video removed from YouTube and other platforms because it didn't follow the narrative the media is pushing?
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exactly the point I was trying to make. 
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So they are living like good catholics again. Less sins to confess. Good for them.
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats.
His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
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Hope you don't have a business if you live in the US as some rioters are probably robbing it and burning it down while the police do nothing, the government does nothing, and the media supports and celebrates it
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Ya, there are a lot of evil people in this world and then even more stupid people that follow them.
F-ES Sitecore wrote: while the police do nothing, the government does nothing
Not sure what you mean there, there's been tons of complaints about how the police and government are handling things. In fact, lots of cops have been killed trying to help maintain peace. That's not nothing.
F-ES Sitecore wrote: the media supports and celebrates it
Yes, the Left has been evil and corrupt for decades. But there are too many stupid people and so the Left keeps doing it.
Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other.
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it.
Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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One minute your media is criticising people for going to the beach because of covid-19....the next there is zero mention of covid-19 and they are celebrating mass gatherings while people loot, riot and murder. But yeah....whatabout those Brits, huh?
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F-ES Sitecore wrote: One minute your media is criticising people for going to the beach because of covid-19....the next there is zero mention of covid-19 and they are celebrating mass gatherings while people loot, riot and murder.
I agree. Our media is corrupt and evil. Pure and simple. And too many people are too stupid and just follow them.
F-ES Sitecore wrote: But yeah....whatabout those Brits, huh?
I see you took this personal and thought it was a bash on the UK. If I wanted to bash on the UK there is plenty of material to do so and wouldn't need to sneak it in here. That was not my intent. As mentioned in the OP, I'm curious how it affects their daily lives, which after all, is the purpose of the Lounge as stated at the top.
Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other.
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it.
Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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ZurdoDev wrote: I'm curious how it affects their daily lives
Oh, we just cower in fear waiting for an unstoppable violent mob buoyed up by false beliefs perpetrated by people who have been intimidated into rejecting their own beliefs and adopting the mob's, keeping a frenzy of violence going that won't stop until everyone submits to mob rule because common sense and reason is trampled on like a shopkeeper's face with people too scared to speak up in case they're next, not realising that they're going to be next regardless of how many hash tags they virtue signal and how many black boxes they post on Instagram.
No wait....that's you...I just try and keep 2m apart from people while I'm at the shops. Shops that haven't been looted. And aren't on fire.
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Again, no need to take it personal or attack other cultures. 
Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other.
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it.
Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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ZurdoDev wrote: Our media is corrupt and evil. Pure and simple.
So true. They are honest and trustworthy only when they report something I like, and agree with. That doesn't happen too often. So for the most part they bring fake news, and really should be shut down by the authorities.
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ZurdoDev wrote: Yes, the Left has been evil and corrupt for decades.
I don't think "the Left" you are talking about is actually left, but some form of radicalized whining.
"All men are trash!" - 'the Left'
"Women should be treated equal to men and have all the same rights and opportunities and we, as a society, should look out for inequalities and think on how to solve them." - actual left
Me: "Hi, I noticed you from across the bar and..."
The Left: "OMG WHY ARE YOU RAPING ME!?"
actual left: "Hi, nice to meet you." (or with my luck "Hi, so brave of you to talk to me, but I have a boyfriend.")
There really is a difference 
Also, I don't think 'the Left' are any more corrupt than 'the Right' who are actually quite similar to 'the Left'.
Of course I'm not talking about actual rights who may be more like actual lefts than you think.
On that account, I have a problem with the terms 'left' and 'right', they push people in a corner and add to further polarization.
I would probably be considered left on all accounts in America (like most Europeans), but in the Netherlands I'm more to the right.
Gun ownership isn't even a thing in the Netherlands, but in America I think it's mostly reserved for the right.
So what if you promote gun ownership and a wall with Mexico, but you also want a social economic system where the rich pay more taxes and everyone is insured?
We have Wilders, pretty much a racist politician who is considered 'extreme right', but he's actually pretty left when it comes to economic issues (I think he's a better fit with our leftist parties than our right, although they think otherwise).
I also think this lack of nuance plays a big part in the ongoing radicalization.
It's either you love afro-Americans (is that the correct term nowadays?) and want their babies or you're a racist.
Maybe you should actually be discussing why afro-Americans still struggle like they do.
I mean, you can't just deny they have a much higher chance of ending up in crime and going to jail, and police violence is just a small part of that problem.
Unfortunately, when mentioning such a statistic you're labeled a racist and so radicalization continues.
I'm not sure where this lack of nuance comes from though, is it the media, social inequality, lack of education, all of the above?
I do know it's not necessarily an American problem, although it takes pretty extreme forms there.
We have the same problems with Turks and Moroccans (and to a lesser extent Eastern Europeans who come to "steal our jobs").
Trump is clearly on 'the Right' camp, with very unnuanced statements that only add to polarization and radicalization, which is probably a large part of the cause of the problems you're currently having.
Instead of building a wall, and so implicitly labeling Mexicans as unwanted "aliens", he could've started a constructive discussion.
Instead of Tweeting "if the looting starts the shooting starts", he could've Tweeted something about, well, basically anything that wouldn't make a bad situation worse, but maybe something about solidarity and condemn racism.
I know, I know, "these looters had it coming, they're dumb and criminal and they deserve to be shot", but the fact is shooting them will only incite more violence and won't solve anything in the end.
Ironically, getting rid of his opponents is exactly how China would've done it.
So yeah, I tried to keep this as nuanced as possible to not offend anyone 
To sum up, I think your "Left" should simply be replaced with "people" and it's pretty accurate.
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Sander Rossel wrote: "Women should be treated equal to men and have all the same rights and opportunities and we, as a society, should look out for inequalities and think on how to solve them." - actual left
Most people, left and right.
But yes, I get your point about the extremes. However, in the US in particular, since the majority of our media is very, very far left most people that are even a little left end up with extreme left views because they only listen to the media, they don't actually look at the facts.
First one I remember in relation to Trump is when he said Mexico is sending their worst here and then the media reported that Trump thinks all Mexicans are rapists and criminals. First off, he didn't even come close to saying that. Secondly, a normal human being would think, "really? He thinks all Mexicans are rapists? That can't be right." But no, most left people just believed the reports/lies from the news.
So, I do get your point and for the most part agree, but the reality seems to be that "left" people have lost their mind.
Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other.
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it.
Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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ZurdoDev wrote: but the reality seems to be that "left" people have lost their mind
I want to disagree, but for some reason I'm inclined to agree with you 
It's probably not like the extreme left are crazier than the extreme right, just that they are more mainstream and so are more visible.
On a side note, Trump saying that Mexicans are sending their worst is also polarizing and damaging.
It certainly sends out a message to all American Mexicans, good and bad, and the people around them.
It's one thing if you or I make such a statement, it's something else when one of the most powerful people on the planet does it.
And as you say, there are plenty of dumb people who believe him and follow him.
I know you're a Trump supporter, but I can't believe you would think of American Mexicans as "their worst" (yes, I hold you in that high esteem ), even though there seem to be some problems.
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Sander Rossel wrote: Trump saying that Mexicans are sending their worst is also polarizing and damaging.
Yes, he certainly does not act Presidential when speaking. I'm not sure there are many from either side that would disagree with that.
However, it speaks to how screwed up our politics have been for a long time. One of the reasons Trump got elected IS because he speaks like that, he doesn't sanitize his language to spare feelings. And a lot of us loved to see a politician not hide from the facts to spare feelings.
Sander Rossel wrote: I know you're a Trump supporter,
I voted for Trump because I would not vote for Hillary. But I do like how Trump keeps calling the media out on their lies. I love that.
Sander Rossel wrote: I can't believe you would think of American Mexicans as "their worst"
I hope you can't believe it. Trump didn't even say what you just said. I'm not sure if you're being funny or unintentionally proving my point about the left.
Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other.
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it.
Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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ZurdoDev wrote: First one I remember in relation to Trump is when he said Mexico is sending their worst here
ZurdoDev wrote: Sander Rossel wrote: I can't believe you would think of American Mexicans as "their worst"
I hope you can't believe it. Trump didn't even say what you just said.
You just said he said that 
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Sander Rossel wrote: You just said he said that
Not even close. I guess you are proving my point about how the left's brains work. Very interesting.
You are saying that every single Mexican American was sent here by Mexico. Clearly that is not the case. Most, if not all, came on their own. They weren't sent. See the difference?
Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other.
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it.
Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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Sander Rossel wrote: It's probably not like the extreme left are crazier than the extreme right, just that they are more mainstream and so are more visible.
It's not so much that they are "mainstream", it is because the left controls the media and big tech, and they sensor their opponents so left-wing views are the only ones heard. People with other views just leave the debate as they get censored\banned etc and now you have platforms where only one view is allowed to be expressed. As the censorship is one-sided and the rules are not applied to the left, those views get more and more extreme so now not only is that platform only a home to left-wing opinions, but to extreme ones too. Look at how they treated Trump's "when the looting starts" tweet. How long do you think it would take to find 1,000 tweets directly calling for violence against Trump supporters, cops etc?
Sander Rossel wrote: On a side note, Trump saying that Mexicans are sending their worst is also polarizing and damaging.
He didn't say that, though.
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F-ES Sitecore wrote: He didn't say that, though.
I'm not sure what he said, I'm just saying what ZurdoDev said he said.
Trump has said bad and generalizing things about Mexico and Mexicans though so for my point it doesn't even matter what he said exactly.
F-ES Sitecore wrote: the left controls the media and big tech
Yet somehow Trump is president
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Sander Rossel wrote: Trump has said bad and generalizing things about Mexico and Mexicans though
I'd ask you to quote some but I know that's a fruitless endevour.
Sander Rossel wrote: Yet somehow Trump is president
Because a lot of people can (thankfully) think for themselves. Why do you think Dems were shocked Hillary didn't win? Because everything they have been exposed to said that she would, that Trump was bad and everyone hated him. Nope...just fake news. What's funny is that they're still doing it only now with Biden. Talk about not learning anything.
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exactly
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