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Whenever a US politician grant a billion dollars to a "worthy" purpose, such as keeping an airline alive, that amounts to three dollars per US citizen. Whenever a politician grants a trillion dollars to keep the economy running, that amounts to three thousand dollars per citizen. That includes newborn babies and retired grandmas. Whenever you hear "a trillion dollars worth of support", if you have four kids that is eighteen thousand dollars for your little family.

It must be paid by the tax payers; there is noone else to pay it. You and your family must pay back those eighteen thousand dollars. Maybe some of it is, in the first stage, paid by business life, through the taxes they pay. Where do they get their money? From their customers, the man in the street. If their taxes rise by a total of half a trillion, their income must raise by half a trillion. Their only way to do that is to raise their prices. So maybe your six-person household pays "only" nine thousand dollars in direct tax rise, but another nine thousand dollars in raised product prices. That is per trillion that is granted to keep business up.

I think that lots of people think of these trillions are money that they (or business) receive as a gift, without being worried about who gives this gift. They do not view the granting of a trillion as taking away three thousand dollar per person in the household from the economy of that household. But that is what it really is. Of course, some of it might manifest in other ways, e.g. schools having less funds to employ teachers or to buy new textbooks. Maybe they have to cancel the planned class trip. Maybe the village marching band loose their funding so they can't employ a conductor, and must close down. So you may see it not as money taken away, but as services and public offerings taken away. Nevertheless, you experience a loss. The total comes out as three thousand dollars per citizen, per trillion granted to "the economy".

A lot of people will agree, "It is a good idea to spend a trillion dollars to keep economy going". Far fewer will agree "Our six person family think it is a good idea to take eighteen thousand dollars from your household budget to keep economy going" - even though these are in fact saying the same thing.
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