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musefan wrote: Can't help others if we are dead,
That's a sissy attitude.
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ZurdoDev wrote: musefan wrote: Can't help others if we are dead,
That's a sissy attitude.
It is the main reason why you are recommended to put first your own oxygen mask in a flight getting depressurized.
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Nearly all government agencies are focused on containment here, and we are not sure if we have enough medical resources, including staff, to cope if it really takes hold.
So what would you have us do?
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Richard MacCutchan wrote: So what would you have us do?
I think everyone is way overreacting.
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Quote: I think everyone is way overreacting
Really? Then why are you worried about the third world? 
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Cp-Coder wrote: Then why are you worried about the third world?
Because I care. 
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I quite understand his point. If everyone's overreacting than indeed "why do you care" is appropriate for a response. It must be taken in the context of your post (i.e., Corona virus).
That you care about others - who it is likely you will never know or meet - is commendable. You must, however, weigh in that as in the airline face mask analogy (parents must tend to themselves before their children) that we are looking at the flip side of "enlightened self interest" whereby taking care of our own urgent immediate needs is not only in our best interests but in theirs, as well.
No vaccine will be developed if the developers die off! For now, hope that the comparative global isolation of these communities will protect them for a while longer. At least until a reliable treatment is worked out.
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W∴ Balboos, GHB wrote: If everyone's overreacting than indeed "why do you care" is appropriate for a response.
I don't see how overreacting relates to caring about others in other countries.
W∴ Balboos, GHB wrote: as in the airline face mask analogy
Totally different. In the airline mask case you have an immediate threat of losing consciousness and will be unable to help others. It's not an overreaction to put on the mask. We don't have an immediate threat of being unable to help. It's not at all the same thing.
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ZurdoDev wrote: We don't have an immediate threat of being unable to help.
Where do you live that it's not an immediate threat? Here, locally, literally millions of people are having having there life disrupted as schools are closed, almost any social gathering site is closed, restaurants, when allowed open, are take-out only, and a generally grass-root-to-ceiling effort to slow the inevitable progress to a manageable rate. Family gatherings are, to a huge extent, being cancelled. Churches and synagogues are closing - damn - even Mecca was closed down for a while.
Not an immediate threat? The only difference between this and the plane is the virus takes a week or so to kill you. The treat - becoming infected - is immediate.
Third world lives are not worth less than those in the industrial world - and neither are they worth more.
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W∴ Balboos, GHB wrote: Here, locally, literally millions of people are having having there life disrupted as schools are closed, almost any social gathering site is closed, restaurants, when allowed open, are take-out only, and a generally grass-root-to-ceiling effort to slow the inevitable progress to a manageable rate. Family gatherings are, to a huge extent, being cancelled. Churches and synagogues are closing - damn - even Mecca was closed down for a while.
Yes, you are explaining the overreactions. I feel like this conversation is going in circles. You seem to be misunderstanding what I am saying.
W∴ Balboos, GHB wrote: Not an immediate threat?
No. We can keep taking care of ourselves. Not getting a mask on, as I already said, is an immediate threat to where we cannot help others. We do not have any immediate threat to where we cannot help others. Or, if you think we do, maybe you can explain how there is an immediate threat to being able to help others.
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ZurdoDev wrote: Or, if you think we do, maybe you can explain how there is an immediate threat to being able to help others.
Because, at present, we're not even able to help ourselves!
Don't ![Elephant | [mastadon]](https://codeproject.global.ssl.fastly.net/script/Forums/Images/elephant.gif) ing dismiss everything that goes against your opinion as "over reacting". It's either an existential threat to human life or it isn't. Sh*t or get off the pot! This is already approaching or at the soapbox level. You welcome to take the next available transport to the third world to do whatever you think you can do to help out* - lead us by your selfless example to this self-declared over-reaction.
* like what? The expression is "belling the cat" - look it up if you don't understand it.
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W∴ Balboos, GHB wrote: we're not even able to help ourselves!
How so? 99% of people are just fine. Please explain how we can't help ourselves?
W∴ Balboos, GHB wrote: Don't [mastadon] ing dismiss everything that goes against your opinion as "over reacting". It's either an existential threat to human life or it isn't. Sh*t or get off the pot! This is already approaching or at the soapbox level. You welcome to take the next available transport to the third world to do whatever you think you can do to help out* - lead us by your selfless example to this self-declared over-reaction.
I was right. You are definitely not understanding me and are reading way more into what I am saying than is actually there. And now, ironically, you are way overreacting to this discussion. 
See ya.
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There's nothing preventing you from helping. Give to the third-world hospital of your choice. You can probably find one online, and I'm sure they'll take PayPal.
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Greg Utas wrote: There's nothing preventing you from helping.
Thank you. I was not aware of that. 
Greg Utas wrote: You can probably find one online
I doubt third world hospitals are online. 
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Quote: Third world lives are not worth less than those in the industrial world - and neither are they worth more
Well said!
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So you don't have the answer either.
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Richard MacCutchan wrote: So you don't have the answer either.
Sure I have an answer. But you weren't being serious.
But, I'll bite anyway. Stop quarantining everything. Use your brain and treat it like the flu it is. Simple.
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I was being serious, but it seems you are not. However, I am not going to turn this into a SoapBox thread.
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Richard MacCutchan wrote: I was being serious
OK, I was wrong. That's fine.
Richard MacCutchan wrote: but it seems you are not.
Wrong. Very serious.
Richard MacCutchan wrote: I am not going to turn this into a SoapBox thread.
Good. Neither will I.
I gave a suggestion. You can feel free to share your opinion about my answer in an adult manner without getting soapboxey.
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You talk like a politician.
It was only in wine that he laid down no limit for himself, but he did not allow himself to be confused by it.
― Confucian Analects: Rules of Confucius about his food
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Gerry Schmitz wrote: You talk like a politician.
Which one?  All the politicians I've heard are the ones overreacting.
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ZurdoDev wrote: It seems that nearly everyone in the developed world has been exposed to the virus but I wonder how third world countries are faring so far.
I think one of two...
The don't get many cases, as they got less exposed because virus spreads much faster in the "mad west world" (vacations, business trips...) and there were less people traveling around there.
They get a huge amount of cases but the world don't care know about it as they are not counted officially because their authorities don't give a crap if the die due to the virus or due to hunger or due to internal wars have the capacities to handle it... and the rest of the world is already busy enough isolating from the rest and looking its own internal problems
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Nelek wrote: busy enough isolating from the rest and looking its own internal problems
San Francisco has had a defecating problem for a while now but it took the Corona Virus to actually cause them to shut down.
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Developing countries don't need to worry so much as globalisation and immigration tends to only go one way.
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