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Totally disagree. Many times they have multiple candidates that they like, so they're reinterviewing to narrow down the list.
Also, many companies do a first phone interview with the manager, then of you pass that they do a face to face. Nothing wrong with that.
Also, many times you start with the totally useless interview with the equally useless recruiter - then on to the company itself. You really have to play along, especially if you want the gig.
Now if it was like the article, 6 interviews, then yes, they're jerking you around
If it's not broken, fix it until it is.
Everything makes sense in someone's mind.
Ya can't fix stupid.
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Kevin Marois wrote: Many times they have multiple candidates that they like, so they're reinterviewing to narrow down the list.
They'll always have multiple candidates, otherwise they're doing something terribly wrong.
Kevin Marois wrote: Also, many companies do a first phone interview with the manager, then of you pass that they do a face to face. Nothing wrong with that.
That's a policy-choice; I don't do phone-interviews. In that case, I'd simply have to pass.
Kevin Marois wrote: Also, many times you start with the totally useless interview with the equally useless recruiter - then on to the company itself. You really have to play along, especially if you want the gig.
Recruiters are expensive, and usually not worth the premium for the level of service provided. Mail the company directly, include a resume for pre-filtering and wait for the invitation.
No, wouldn't want to do seventeen useless phone-interviews on a day while working, just because some recruiter wants to look busy and interested. You have the details, come with an offer or don't.
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Would you get in the car and drive an hour or so only to find out you're not qualified? Or That there's something about the company that you don't like?
I had a phone interview with the Manager of Developers and a recruiter. I don't remember the subject but he asked me about some skill I needed, and when I asked him a question back he said "I'm asking the questions here!" I promptly hung up.
Would you get into your interview clothes and drive to their office only to have something like that happen?
To say I don't do phone interviews is silly and arrogant. Neither you nor they can make a solid decision without more than one talk. Both parties need time to think it over and follow up.
If it's not broken, fix it until it is.
Everything makes sense in someone's mind.
Ya can't fix stupid.
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Kevin Marois wrote: Would you get in the car and drive an hour or so only to find out you're not qualified?
There is a vacancy and a description thereof. There is a resume. Compare both and you can find out without starting the car.
Kevin Marois wrote: Or That there's something about the company that you don't like?
Aw, yes, very important. If there is a theoretical match, then I will be wanting to see the IT-department, and talk to some of the people there.
Kevin Marois wrote: I had a phone interview with the Manager of Developers and a recruiter. I don't remember the subject but he asked me about some skill I needed, and when I asked him a question back he said "I'm asking the questions here!" I promptly hung up.
Like I said, a phone interview is a waste of time.
Kevin Marois wrote: Would you get into your interview clothes and drive to their office only to have something like that happen?
Having a phone-interview does not protect you much from that happening in the interview that would follow. I've had some strange interviews, and a share of strange employers.
Kevin Marois wrote: To say I don't do phone interviews is silly and arrogant.
Yes, that was what one of the recruiters said.
Kevin Marois wrote: Neither you nor they can make a solid decision without more than one talk. Both parties need time to think it over and follow up.
I've had five or six different employers, none of them needed more than one single talk. Sorry, but you make it sound like a woman who is shopping for shoes.
It's not like dating where you need to make up your mind who you like more; we're in it for the money, not the general likeableness.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote: I had a phone interview with the Manager of Developers and a recruiter. I don't remember the subject but he asked me about some skill I needed, and when I asked him a question back he said "I'm asking the questions here!" I promptly hung up. Like I said, a phone interview is a waste of time.
That example was a classic reason to have a phone interview. It saved me a trip all the way down there to find out the manager was a jerk.
If it's not broken, fix it until it is.
Everything makes sense in someone's mind.
Ya can't fix stupid.
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Kevin Marois wrote: That example was a classic reason to have a phone interview. It saved me a trip all the way down there to find out the manager was a jerk.
Yes, one trip saved, versus continuously being called by recruiters.
Would have cost me a trip, but also the satisfaction of calling out the manager on the spot.
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I've gone through this before, although not after 6 interviews. The most I've had is 3, including phone screen. In any case it's a bad reflection on the company. I just add them to my shitlist of employers and never apply there again.
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Thought I'd look into getting one, and there's too many options.
Looking for relatively low price (< $200 ideally, anything more needs to have "wow" must have features), obviously camera, and streams to Android (not iOS!) but ideally I'd love to have the thing stream to my laptop instead.
Range is relatively important (some of cheap ones seem to be only a few hundred feet), auto-return home is great, doing stunts is unimportant, pre-programmed flight path would be a nice to-have feature.
Any recommendations? 
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Maybe one of these?
If it's not broken, fix it until it is.
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Ya can't fix stupid.
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Kevin Marois wrote: Maybe one of these?
If I had one of those, I definitely know what I'd do with it. Don't ask. 
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I'm with ya.
Might be cost prohibitive though
If it's not broken, fix it until it is.
Everything makes sense in someone's mind.
Ya can't fix stupid.
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And, Don't Tell. Then, again, we'd prolly get told on the news.
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Maybe one of these?
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OriginalGriff wrote: Maybe one of these?
Bee-hive yourself. Gads, what does it take to get a serious answer around here? 
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A miracle, probably.
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Not really, but I have an anti-recommendation - what I did.
Built a monster drone with 6x500W motors about 80cm wide, I've got it to lift 4 litres of coke in the air. That's all quite cool (and useful) but the thing scares me to death as a collision with it would probably be fatal.
When I got panicked that I didn't know which way it was facing so turned off the transmitter (to invoke auto land) it brought home the flying killbot 500 feet above me was actually being controlled by the onboard computer rather than my remote control. How well did they do their testing? Did they use Java?? Watch YouTube 'fly aways' for full fear factor.
It cost about a grand or 1,300 of your American Dollars, quite a bit for something that lives permanently disconnected from power for fear of what it could do to the world. I try to avoid eye contact with it when I go in the garage.
Never again.
Regards,
Rob Philpott.
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Marc Clifton wrote: Range is relatively important
As is height. My cat hasn't caught a drone yet, but that's just a matter of time
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You're not building a bagpipe are you?
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raddevus wrote: but wow, here's one that includes flight plans and is still only $129
Replying to an old post that I had bookmarked -- just added your recommendation to my Christmas list. Thanks for find that!
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If you are looking for sub-$200 then you are looking at a good toy that will have some of the features you are looking for but not all. First, you need to start off with a good Transmitter, having a good transmitter will allow you to have several drones/aircraft on one Radio. I would Recommend the Turnigy 9XR Pro (with the Orange TX module) you can get this for just about $100.00. Next, comes the drone; a company called Eachine sell Lizard95 for about $100.00 now you will need batteries which could cost about $100.00 (you will need batteries for the TX and about 4 or 5 batteries for the Lizard95). Now you will need to charge them and can get a charger for about $50.00. The Lizard95 comes with an FPV camera and if you want it to do directly to a laptop that might be difficult but they do have adapters to connect to Android. You need to do a little research on this because if you get the wrong one you will not be able to fly FPV because the video response time is too slow. You can buy FPV goggles for about $75.
If you are new to Flying RC or FPV, in general, I would recommend getting the Eachine E010S and a set of 5 batteries with charger total for this is about $75. The Eachine E010S will allow you to fly indoors causing little damage to your house and the drone and you can learn how to fly. Also practice with simulators.
If you are new I would go check RCGroups and YouTube and learn how to handle a Drone. One mistake and you can cut yourself badly. The Lizard95 is not a toy and the props are spinning at high speeds and can cause damage to you your furniture or others near by.
So if you are careful with your budget you can get in for about $400 to $450 The cheaper path would be to get the Transmitter (module and battery) the goggles and the Eachine E010S with batteries and this would cost about $250.00 then when you are ready to upgrade to the Lizard95 or something similar then you can spend the extra and get the bigger drone plus batteries and charger (Note you only need to buy the charger once).
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web_maven wrote: The Lizard95 is not a toy and the props are spinning at high speeds and can cause damage to ... others near by.
Interesting thought...
US FAA regulations do not allow for drones flying over people. But doesn't seem to say anything about flying next to them...
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FAA rules quick version, do not fly over 400 feet, do not fly over crowds, do not fly over stadiums, do not fly in National Parks and do not fly within 5 miles of the airport.
I guess you can fly near a person but most-likely they know what you are doing if you are in a crowd and a quad crash on you it would not be a good day.
Be smart and fly safely you will have more fun and everyone gets to go home.
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