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Oh the questionnaires and layers of forms.... Flow charts to tell the customer service representative or some algorithm which path to take down the bunny hole to get an appropriate answer.
But then technology can also come in and help us with the problems caused by the previous solutions.
I am a volunteer firefighter and first responder in my down time. The previous area I worked in implemented a way bloated version of Medical Priority Dispatching and the questions could take a few minutes to get through. The problem is the national standard says the dispatch must be out within a minute of answering a 911 call. The answer that has been implemented is to give a preliminary dispatch of location and type(EMS, Fire; default = Police), and then when the flowchart is completed a second dispatch is made to give more information so that the responders know what they are going to see and need when they get there.
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Jeremy Falcon wrote: maybe it's 98%
No, its 99% - you were correct.  The truth is in the facts, and the fact is, the IT world is BS.
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Jeremy Falcon
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Make that the corporate world and I will agree with you.
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If you have to ask, this wasn't written for you. You can pretend you never read it.
Yeah whatever...
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jhegedus wrote: this wasn't written for you.
Apparently not. Clearly my 20 years experience in the industry has been better than a lot of yours. Lucky me, I guess.
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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One example of the BS part, Scrum's daily stand up meeting. It used to be a once a week status meeting and your manager might stop by your desk every day or so just to see how you are doing. Now it's every FRIKKIN' day.
ScrumMaster, "Let's go around the room."
Developer A, "I'm working on X, no blockers."
Developer B, "I'm working on Y, no blockers."
Developer C, "I'm working on Z, no blockers."
etc.
Two week sprints that are really only a week and a half because QA has to be on the same Sprint schedule as the developers and you have to allow time for them to finish testing. Plus the Sprint planning, Sprint Demo, Sprint Retrospective meetings on top of the daily stand up.
And don't even get me started on the "Open Office" crap. I want my walls and shelves back, Dagnabit!
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MarkTJohnson wrote: ScrumMaster, "Let's go around the room."
Developer A, "I'm working on X, no blockers."
Developer B, "I'm working on Y, no blockers."
Developer C, "I'm working on Z, no blockers."
etc.
This worked really well for us. But we were not set on 2 week sprints. We had short goals but never let reality get in the way. We were flexible.
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Jeremy Falcon wrote: has anyone else found themselves jaded for a period while the industry finds itself, yet to only realize that as people we are right where we are meant to be?
Not for me. I just focus on the task in front of me and enjoy myself. 
Having been doing this stuff since slightly before personal computers existed, I gave up worrying about what the industry as a whole was doing, mainly because it's always going the wrong direction according to me, but always ends up someplace cool and interesting enough that I'm glad to be along for the ride.
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patbob wrote: mainly because it's always going the wrong direction according to me
It's like market foresting forecasting with stocks. Most folks try to predict the future of it and nobody really knows what the market will do. And it is an interesting ride my friend. Just wait until Japanese robots become the norm.
Jeremy Falcon
modified 28-Jun-17 13:36pm.
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Jeremy Falcon wrote: market foresting with stocks
I didn't know the US Forestry Service was involved! 
Jeremy Falcon wrote: Japanese robots
Shades of Battlestar Galactica. We're on a repeat cycle.
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TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote: I didn't know the US Forestry Service was involved!
Whoops. 
Jeremy Falcon
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patbob wrote: I just focus on the task in front of me and enjoy myself.
Take it to the soapbox! 
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Jaded? Yes. There are times I just want to switch a totally different profession, but I have been ddoing this for so long everything else I was profficient in (chemistry, mathematics, statistics) I am no longer up-to-date.
For several years I have had a yen to learn bartending - when I retire and move to the Dominican Republic (my wife was born there), I will open a bar on the beach. I may be looking for bouncers, live music acts and patrons 
A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, navigate a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects! - Lazarus Long
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You're a smart man. I went through that same phase. Still am going through it. Despite the love for tech, had to get away from a computer to appreciate it a bit. It almost defines us.
Bartenders are awesome btw. The good ones are usually good listeners.
Jeremy Falcon
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stoneyowl2 wrote: I may be looking for bouncers, live music acts and patrons
How much are you paying us to be patrons? I might apply...
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If you walk in the door and know the secret CP password, I will spot a free drink. If you also know the hidden, locked in the vault, handshake - I might serve you my special:
In a shot glass equal parts Tequila, Kahlua, and 151 Rum
[Edit] Dang! Now you know it! That was my secret, make it bit in the bar business, taught to me by friends in the Hell's Angels Harley club in Fairbanks.
A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, navigate a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects! - Lazarus Long
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I feel very similar. My job skills are very conducive to my current employer and I want to be challenged, yet I'm not overly motivated to chase every new technology; I have become content. I'm also am seriously thinking of retiring early, like in the next 3 to 8 years, and cannot decide if I want reinvent myself again in my future homeland or call it a day.
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Yes, I'm kind of at the place right now. I've been doing this for over 30 years and even though the work is awesome at times, the day in day out monotony of trying to figure out code written by someone else is getting to me. That's why I've taken up video creation as a hobby. I think what happens is the we get starved of the creativity part due to poor management and/or long maintenance periods. I'm at that point now. I've created other projects on my own to keep up my knowledge base and for fun, but it's missing the thrill of having someone else use it. I hope that one day soon, I'll get placed on another project and the thrill returns. 
When you are dead, you won't even know that you are dead. It's a pain only felt by others.
Same thing when you are stupid.
modified 19-Nov-21 21:01pm.
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I know exactly what you mean man. Stuff like tech debt has become a dirty phase. We dare not mention it, but it's there. And yet through it all, what else would we really rather do you know? What you really want to be in a place where you didn't get to use your mind?
Video editing and creation can be fun by the way. I don't know about you, but I got into this because I had a school buddy make a video game called Invasion of the Pac-Man Planet as a kid. The creativity lures you in with its s*xiness. But then you end up becoming the report creator. Gotta have reports. Reports, reports, reports! And pie charts.
Jeremy Falcon
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Donathan.Hutchings wrote: That's why I've taken up video creation as a hobby.
I've actually begun considering taking up inventing for a hobby or woodworking perhaps (a hand-crafted solid-oak dresser fetches over $800).
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Quote: When you are dead, you won't even know that you are dead. It's a pain only felt by others.
Same thing when you are stupid.
How can you be so sure? You've never been dead before, have you? You can't be sure you won't know you're dead and you can't be 100% sure you'll be missed!
Also, stupid people do feel the pain themselves. They might not realize it's from their stupidity, but they do feel it!
I guess I am at least partially jaded with the tech. Instead of coding I'm commenting on peoples' signatures on CP.
Yeah, most of the tech world is crap. And I think that at least partially it's crap because it's driven by profit, not by passion. People will come up with all sorts of ideas to present them as new technologies only hoping to get a pile of money out of it. It has nothing, or very little, to do with the desire to help people.
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The bane of my tech life at the moment (has been for a few years now) is "agile". Yeah, you use JIRA and have a meeting every morning, sure you're agile. We have a fixed go-live, no retros (don't have the time, see previous point), no demos (see previous), no definition of done (so anything almost-done is good enough), testing is a separate task (agile only applies to development, things don't have to be tested to be considered working), product owners that don't really care, project managers instead of scrum masters, no transparency, all effort spent on making waterfall look like agile rather than using agile to leverage any benefits they think it may bring.
Still...we just try and do our best to make sure our code is good quality despite the "agile framework" mangled around us.
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You're describing an issue with management, not with Agile.
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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