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Thanks! I'll look into it.
Get me coffee and no one gets hurt!
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Just a random thought:
Why is it that when I want to buy a formal shirt, I can get one to an exact collar size but if I want to buy a casual shirt, I'm confronted with some ill-defined system of S, M, L, XL that will, no doubt, vary in meaning from one sweat-shop to the next?
Slogans aren't solutions.
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Probably because formal shirts are normally worn with a tie and / or a suit with the top button done up. A half-inch (or one cm) error insize is very noticeable and "looks wrong".
With a casual shirt, the collar isn't buttoned close to the neck, so it doesn't matter if it's an inch or three too big. (Too small still looks silly though.)
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Well, yes, but it looks equally silly if it's squeezing my belly or it looks like you could get three of me in there.
We have standard sizes for shoes, why not shirts?
Slogans aren't solutions.
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PeejayAdams wrote: We have standard sizes for shoes, why not shirts?
We don't really have standard shoe sizes, either. I wear a different size Nike than I do New Balance.
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There are standard sizes but you're right, that does not mean that a 10 in Nike fits the same as a 10 in Adidas.
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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I wear two different sizes with different style Nikes.
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Probably because there are only two variables with shoe sizes: length and width - you do know you can get shoes in different width settings?
But shirts ... collar size, chest size, belly size, shoulder width, arm length, bicep diameter, elbow sharpness, the number of permutations is huge. That's one reason why bespoke shirt companies do quite nicely, thank you!
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It's so impossible to find 13/14-wide shoes 
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That's why they have fitting rooms.
But formal shirts not easy either, off the rack those that 'fit' my neck the shoulders not wide enough and sleves were too short, sizing up to fix that problem ended up with what seemed like a a circus tent tucked into my pants - had to go taylored.
(Been years since I wore any, the colors seem to have developed their own life - once in a while I dig one out to wipe down my bike.)
Sin tack
the any key okay
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Same here, I can get shirts that fit my body ok if needed for work, but they won't fit my neck. If I get one that fits my neck it's like a tent on my body. So for times where I have to wear a tie (weddings, funerals, court appearances...usually in that order) I have a couple of custom tailored shirts.
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Because size definitions are not the same depending on the country the thing is made ?
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I believe we need an ISO entry for shirts and shoes; that would eliminate the confusion.
Folks, this is what progress looks like...
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I predict that in 2 years or so, you will be able to go to a shop and be completely measured by lasers and a robot will make custom tailored clothing with proper measurements and fittings.
that is progress.
I'd rather be phishing!
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If you're willing to pay a days to a weeks pay for a single garment perhaps. I don't expect to see that working its way down to clothing that most people can afford to wear on a regular basis for at least a decade.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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After we agree on the ISO standards, if our American friends go around and invent their own standards in addition, that would complete the circle.
Just like pounds, miles, gallons, etc.
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Of course. You know the Americans will have to f*** it up some how, it is our way. 
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Because the children employed in Philippine sweat shops aren't good with numbers.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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The children in The Philippines are generally very good with numbers and English in my experience.
The problem is almost certainly the difference in size between the average 'westerner' to the average 'asian' I once tried to buy a shirt in a department store in The Philippines, picked up my usual 'Large' size and asked a pretty young assistant where I could try it on, 'right here' she said! So ok I try it on, not only can I not fasten the buttons I can't even get the two sides to meet in the middle! Off she trots to get me an XL which I try on again to find that, yes I can fasten the buttons but only if I hold my breath - finally she returns with an XXL and it fits nicely, I bought the shirt and left, never to return...
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I had a similar experience in Shanghai, where I finally left with the closest fit shirt (because they'd been so helpful, for a long time, that I would have felt awful not buying anything), but I can't wear it, because the sleeves are two inches too short.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Its like this. Years ago all our clothes were made in our own country UK, USA, Australia, EU and so on. They were made to a high standard by proud and skilled workers. Customers expected shoes, shirts, pants and so on to fit. Sizes matched the local population. Clothes fitted and lasted.
We looked with bemusement on the the people of the PRC and other countries all walking around in drab, poorly fitting garments.
The PRC grew and began to produce a surplus of these cheap ill fitting garments with sizes that were advisory only. We all decided it was a good idea to buy this crap and turn our backs on the local workers who became redundant. Eventually we were all walking around in mass produced one size fits all clothes and there was no more choice. This is the present.
Peter Wasser
"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts." - Bertrand Russell
modified 11-Apr-17 21:10pm.
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Is glue not to be sniffed at?
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I'm stuck on what to say to that.
Sin tack
the any key okay
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