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RyanDev wrote: What's incredible is they are still the best in the world
Well not really, just like beatmax was better than vhs, the better one didn't win.
On computers: unix/bsd could do a lot more on a lot less hardware than windows (already had true multi-processing/better disk management, better memory management in the 80's - saw a ms exec demo win2k claiming 'multi-processing was a brand new invention' when unix for instance had it on a 8kb PDP 10 years earlier), cp/m's 8080/z80 was a better cpu than apples 6502 but apple set the first PC benchmark
... marketing, catching the market right place/right time...
Don't not confuse "most popular" with "best."
ms is OK but still far from "the best," it's only the most popular and most over-hyped.
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Who has better software products than MS?
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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UNIX was seriously hampered by proprietary versions with SCO, IBM, HP and everyone all going their own merry way.
Yes, it was, in a great many ways, a far superior OS especially when it came to handling multiple users but all the big players were so obsessed with the server/dumb-terminal marketplace where they were already kings that they didn't pay any attention to the rapidly rising PC market.
At the same time Microsoft, as leaders in PC-land, were thinking "why can't we extend our OS to server platforms?" When they did, it was the natural way for many to go - they were familiar with Windows and it became a fairly natural choice for what was by then an increasingly a server/PC based world.
In many ways, Microsoft's success was simply brought about by the failure of others to seize the day. They were broadcasting in glorious technicolor while everyone else was happy to stick with black and white.
And it would be wrong to disregard the fact that a fair portion of their success actually is based on quality products. SQLServer is way better than the alternatives; Office has generally been up there amongst the better products; .NET has an awful lot going for it and IIS is solid. There may have been some cruddy things along the way (I hate COM with a passion and there are two or three versions of Windows that should never have seen the light of day) but how many companies get it right every single time?
Sure, they started with a huge stroke of luck and have maybe had a fair bit along the way, but luck alone doesn't keep you on top for too long. Richie Benaud, the late, great Aussie cricketer summed it up beautifully when he said "captaincy is 90% luck and 10% skill - but don't try it without the 10% skill" as did Gary Player when he said "the more I practice, the luckier I get."
Slogans aren't solutions.
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Well I'm not sure SQL server is always the best, office definitely really well done (apart from the bloat that's still growing), unix has X-win with it's choice of WM - you can really have your windows exactly the way you wan't them ...
Capabilities quite evenly matched and getting ever closer: win is a better desktop but mac (i.e. unix) really really close (and both will be moot when tablets become properly useful everywhere). BSD is still the best server you can get (for the weenies linux still a touch behind), but win server breathing down it's neck.
1. still depends on what/where
2. ideally (hopefully real soon) really shouldn't matter which you choose.
But once more: don't confuse 'most popular' with 'best.'
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Lopatir wrote: But once more: don't confuse 'most popular' with 'best.'
I'm not, the only product I'd cite as being the best is SQLServer but over-all it's undeniable that MS have a solid portfolio.
With most things we buy - unless we're real buffs - we tend to look for what we know to be good rather than digging deep for something great. If I'm buying a TV and don't want to spend months researching it, I'm going to buy an LG or a Samsung; if I were to buy a car it would be a VW and so on. I'm not making the assumption that they're absolutely the best in class - they may or may not be - but they're brands that I trust well enough to know that I'm getting something that's going to be, at the least, good enough for what I want to use it for.
This kind of informed ignorance is how non-techies pick OSes - they don't want to spend the night debating the relative merits of file systems or marveling at the conceptual elegance of UNIX, they just want something that can reliably let them do the things that they want to do and if there's a brand name that they feel that they can trust, they'll naturally be drawn to it.
Slogans aren't solutions.
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Don't forget they started at the easy end: 1, 2, 3 - then they went all odd: 3.1, NT, 3.11, 95, 98, 2000, ME, XP, Vista, then 7, 8, 8.1, 10, And possibly "Buttercup" the way they are going...
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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In the times of nanometer-chips are micrometric and soft substances godzilla monsters 
Press F1 for help or google it.
Greetings from Germany
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Big'n'hard seems kinda wrong though!?? 
Ah, I see you have the machine that goes ping. This is my favorite. You see we lease it back from the company we sold it to and that way it comes under the monthly current budget and not the capital account.
modified 31-Aug-21 21:01pm.
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But "Macrocallous" might work. 
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined."
- Homer
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Because the anatomical feature the name refers to is in their skull.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Not everybody. I call them by their True Name, Mickeysoft.
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a f***ing golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?"
"You mean like from space?"
"No, from Canada."
If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.
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I prefer Micro$haft.
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It's like the T.A.R.D.I.S. bigger on the inside than on the outside.
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How can they screw up so much if they are called Microsoft?
modified 20-Oct-19 21:02pm.
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... such stuff as dreams are made on
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Just got an email saying you had a new Syncfusion book out - SQL Server for C# Developers. Good job.
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/ravi
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Congrats!
'PLAN' is NOT one of those four-letter words.
'When money talks, nobody listens to the customer anymore.'
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Thanks! 
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Hahahaha, awesome, thanks!
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Though that question could be expanded "Why nodejs" or "Why Ruby on Rails".
Don't get me wrong, I actually like Python. It's awesome for doing development on SBC's like the rPi or the Beaglebone. But will be less awesome once .NET Core supports ARM processors (apparently it doesn't yet, from what my google-fu was able to determine yesterday.)
But Python and the rest, well, they're just not C# (or C++, but I haven't used C++ in so many years now the rust has turned into individual oxidized atoms of iron.)
What gets me is how many jobs use Python (or one of the other aforementioned) for things like web servers/services. Why? Why do I keep encountering what is often overtly expressed as a disdain for Microsoft tech? Ultimately, I guess it boils down to free, cheap, open source, etc., and probably the biggest reason, it's whatever bias the lead developer had/has when the first line of code was written. And that bias, well, I keep encountering it.
Of course I'm biased as well, and of course I think I have good reasons for my biases towards strong typed compiled languages. Still, it's disturbing, disappointing, annoying, and frustrating that I actually encounter very little adoption of Microsoft tech for contract jobs and even on site employment in my little corner of the world here in Albany NY.
What's your experience? Where are the .NET hubs of contract/employment opportunities in the US and more generally, the world?
I suppose you could say I should just get a spine and code. But for me, programming is like being in a relationship with the programming language. Its got to have good communication skills (running the app to find syntax errors is not good communication), its got to be intellectually engaging (real OOP, real functional programming, real lambda functions, etc.), its got to be good looking (Tk and their ilk is just gross for creating desktop UI's), and its got to be fun to be around (JetBrains IDE's are pretty good, but still not the Visual Studio experience, and intellisense / autocomplete with languages like Python are pretty lame) and most importantly, the number of psychological problems should be minimal (the split personalities of dynamic typing come to mind.)
Marc
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With the introduction of .NET Core, Linux support, free Visual Studio and things like SQL Server on Linux, I suspect that we will start to slowly see more of an acceptance of Microsoft in the startup world. Because Microsoft was seen as hostile to Open Source, there was a real disdain for them. Of course, it's not beyond the wit of MS to do something monstrously alienating again, and put off a whole new generation.
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote: I suspect that we will start to slowly see more of an acceptance of Microsoft in the startup world.
I hope so!
Marc
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I hope not!
I like the ms products, but do not like the lack of choice,
realistically to support ms client base sort of stuck with ms, the alternatives are still below par.
With database we have it: oracle, mysql...
with office, well open/libre not quite good enough, same with .net dev tools, even the OS (remember this is for the client base, not my own playground - can't make computer illiterate customer go linucs, can make them use libre and have to choose Save-As choosing the file type ms [and have the document look like sh*t when they send it to someone else because there are still some rendering differences - and face it, there is NO good fully functional alternative for excel]).
Summary: ms is perfectly good, but I want realistic/viable [stupid] client acceptable options.
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