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It's a constant balancing act. I think that's the basic genius behind the foundation of the US Constitution. And I wasn't talking about "community persuasion" i.e a top-down approach, I was talking about individual persuasion, i.e. a bottom-up approach.
W∴ Balboos wrote: prosperity that's only attainable as a group
A group of like-minded individuals. Everyone has to be working toward the common goal, but of one's own free choice and free will. You first look out for your own needs and those of your family, then whatever excess you have, you give to others by your own free will and choice, because taking care of others also, over time, takes care of you and because it's the right thing to do. That satisfies both the individual survival imperative and the group survival, group prosperity imperative.
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I'll be heading home very shortly - just as well as my inbox is overheated.
I think the main thing we differ on is (not perfectly put!) the initialization of the community projects. You have more faith in human nature than I.
Euphemistically, they won't even stop at a stop sign unless a cop is watching. Not all - but more than enough. The miserable predators that took advantage of us and countless other Sandy victims and, by contrast, those who came and gave of themselves freely, which I will also never forget.
But the former of these two will spoil it for all the rest if given free choice - because that's what they do.
By the way - a good part of the thread - real thought - what I was hoping for in the original topic, but this will do.
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Of course, I was being idealistic. I think in the end, eventually, that's where things have to end up or we get a reset.
Have a good evening/day, etc...
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You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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Well said. I don't completely agree with what you wrote, but I like it. For instance, I wouldn't say "Most GOP are nuts", but I would probably say "Most vocal GOP and the GOP 'leadership' (  ) are nuts". I don't like playing Devil's Advocate, but I am often skeptical. I have learned the hard way not to be so trusting and gullible. Got burned too many times.
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Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson
You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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In chemistry, there's a reaction to add hydrogen halides across a double bond. A scientist, Markovnikov, came up with a rule to predict which of two possible results the reaction will yield. My organic chemistry textbook put it in very simple to understand terms:
"Them what has gets"
The parties cheat like made - for their own interests. People tend to forget that the parties are, in fact, private enterprises and not government "fair is fair" entities.
What makes me angry about the Bernie Buffoons: they're so inexperienced that they're deciding with their hormones instead of their brains. The next president will pick several supreme court justices - basically effecting everything for the rest of everyone's lives. Bernie, surprisingly silent, is going to be the next Ralph Nadar. The damage he caused by running is truly Soapbox material. He best get off his ass and explain to them that this election is for real and there's no replay button.
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Did you ever here the expression "Extinction is forever" ? Your belief in the posts (ignoring, for example, HRC's commanding lead in popular vote - what good are numbers anyway?) is very saddening.
Reread my first sentence, again. Because if Hillary doesn't win, that's the way the civil rights of pretty much everyone but the big corporations will go.
Or do you prefer:
A Gram is Better than a Damn.
A Gram is Better than a Damn.
A Gram is Better than a Damn.
A Gram is Better than a Damn.
A Gram is Better than a Damn.
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N_tro_P wrote: And voting out of fear is throwing your vote away.
NO
Throwing away your vote is throwing away your vote!
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The only way to throw away one's vote is by not voting. Fear, not always being irrational, is not necessarily a bad criteria on which to base one's vote.
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I don't agree with your prediction.
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#SupportHeForShe
Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson
You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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Snopes is probably funded by federal government/politicians. That's why democrat apologists like to refer to the site. They've already got a demonstrated propensity for believing everything they read/hear from lamestream media.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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As to the GOP fanatics who listen to and swallow whatever they here from their latest idol. And if the story changes? 1984's "Double Think" is her and now. (1984 is a book - we liberals, having deciding learning to read is useful, can read books).
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: Snopes is probably funded by federal government/politicians.
Perfect example: you haven't the least basis for this except that you'd like it to be so in order to justify your ignoring their showing you that what you believe conspiracy theories and lies. You've dismissed them so that make the world OK again
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W∴ Balboos wrote: we liberals, having deciding learning to read is useful, can read books).
Implication being that if you are not liberal you can't read?
That should have gone to the Soapbox...
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Tim Carmichael wrote: Implication being that if you are not liberal you can't won't read?
FIFY.
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Proving once again the liberals are assholes.
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So, do you consider yourself of the left cheek; of the right cheek, or taken that spot in the middle?
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LOL. Nice. And, neither. Thanks for proving the point.
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Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson
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Indeed. It's just that I've observed much more often from liberals displaying a I'm-smarter-than-all-yall-and-holier-than-all-yall sort of attitude.
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Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson
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N_tro_P wrote: your sample set is... well BS.
Of course, it's all anecdotal. That's all any of us really got.
N_tro_P wrote: many social networks
I don't have time for that. But I do stalk (just read, not post) some social networks that challenge my viewpoints. I've learned a bit. Moderated my views a bit. And I've become a little less hardassed in my own views. To the point where I've come to question a lot of my ideas.
N_tro_P wrote: Devil's Advocate
I responded to that post.
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Please don't imply that you can fix anything for me... you don't know me.
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