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Yeah, except Internet != community.

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Well, yeah, of course.

But you didn't use the word internet, and neither did I. Super Lloyd did, but the post was about creating an online community, not creating a new internet without toxicity.

So, what's your point?

Kyle Moyer wrote:
But you didn't use the word internet

Well I was quoting part where he talked about the Internet in general. I mean, we can split hair all night long if you're into that.

Kyle Moyer wrote:
So, what's your point?

I stated my point in OP - toxicity is not a problem on the Internet. And you all should keep your filthy hands off it, trying to regulate it as you're going to make a much bigger mess.

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Alright, that's fair. I didn't get that from your first post, so we were talking about (somewhat) different things. My apologies for any confusion.

For the internet as a whole, I agree, toxicity isn't really an issue. And regulating the internet as a whole to try to prevent it, I also agree, is a really bad idea.

Individual communities on the internet, however, particularly those frequented by the youngers of the population, tend to have toxicity problems, and those should be free to manage themselves as they see fit.

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Super Lloyd wrote:
Apparently toxicity on the internet is a very real problem.

Personally I call the solution to that "turning off the computer and going outside to meet people IRL". People tend to act a lot more civilized face to face.

And I say this as someone who's actually rather anti-social.

dandy72 wrote:
People tend to act a lot more civilized face to face.

The option of being punched in the face for being a jerk has a very calming effect on most people.

I have two different opinions on that matter and I would very much appreciate a constructive discussion Smile | :)

1-
One of the reasons people act differently on the internet is that they know that their actions will not be (severely) punished socially. In contrast to real life, whether it's a punch in the face, some prison time, or simply a disgusting look from onlookers, their actions are somewhat always followed by consequences.

I feel that we must apply this on the internet as well; some sort of 'punishment' is needed. Recently for example, Blizzard implemented the 'Silent Sentence' a punishment that makes the offender not able to comment/post replies/etc, for a certain duration that doubles with each of his offenses.

The only problem I see with that system, is that they relied on people to implement it (people are the one reporting the offender), and thus messing up the whole system.

I'd say that we need to combine more moderators (replaced by AI in the future) with a punishment system; mimicking the real life cops system (minus the corruption).

2-
Some of the younger crowd are still discovering their personalities, their traits, and are always looking for new forms of humor to make it their own. This is because there is a satisfaction in making people laugh, in making oneself more interesting [reference needed].

Sarcasm and black humor for example are a form of humor whether everyone likes or not. See how Roel bob for example, uses his very black humor to draw coders strips. Not everyone likes it but some people do.

So how about implementing a system to give people recognition for their action?

If someone replied sarcastically it does not mean that he is toxic, it means that he tends to like sarcasm as a humor. So recognize him by giving him sarcastic points; give others argumentation points; there could even be some advice points, etc.

These points would stick to the user account so that onlookers can know whether it's worth following/reading this user or not.

For example I personally tend to like more CommitStrip over Roelbob, so I would be more interested in reading what commitStrip would post.
But both sites would benefit from this system as they would attract their target audience.

Hey long message.. and I was looking for ideas myself, not having much so far...

As to problem you see with your idea #1, relying on people is pretty much what happened in real life. And being as good as real life would be an achievement! So.... I wouldn't worry! Wink | ;)

As to 2, having a few reputation point (dark humor: +42) I am bothered by the permanence of it.. I am wondering about those.. and if I do, I would definitely have them decay (maybe lose 20% of them every month...)

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