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you've been peeking huh ?
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I believe it's called "Beijing" these days. And you missed the preposition. 
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So many fails in one post (and they're not yours!)
Interview is about exploring someones knowledge and whether they fit in the company / team - you can't script that.
How the hell do HR think you are going to get a good fit for the team if the interviewee is not allowed to talk to them?
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GStrad wrote: How the hell do HR think
I see your mistake
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We never used to do the "meet the team" and some of the people we hired were horrible.
One was a Morris dancing fan, who used to show pictures of his latest dances etc and wore sandals to work with white socks.
another used to get annoyed when we used to take the lord name in vain.
But since we started the this is the team and this is the project were working on we have had better success.
Every day, thousands of innocent plants are killed by vegetarians.
Help end the violence EAT BACON
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Hey! There's nothing wrong with Morris Dancing *
*of course there is - just posting that in case my HR dept. read this and insist on employing at least one lesbian dwarf Morris Dancer in the name of equality
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I'll try anything once ... except incest and Morris Dancing.
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I did Morris Dancing at primary school.
The teacher was accordion player for the local troop and used to get her husband to come in and make us do it.
Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.
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Sounds like you enjoyed every stick smashing part of it 
Every day, thousands of innocent plants are killed by vegetarians.
Help end the violence EAT BACON
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HR: Where do you see yourself in three years?
Me: In your seat.
VP/Senior GM: Where do you see yourself in five years?
Me: <<same reply="">>
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You usually get down-voted by HR for answering that - it's a trite answer to a trite question.
I usually answer something like 'doing this job'. as most companies don't *really* want you to be ambitious - they want someone to do this role for as long as possible.
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Quote: Employer: So, Peter, where do you see yourself in five years?
Peter [thinking]: Don't say, "Doing your wife." Don't say, "Doing your wife." Don't say, "Doing your wife."
Peter: Doing your...[sees the employer's family picture] son?
Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.
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I am with MM on this one, I would tell them to f*** off.
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Then you are both self-evidently independently wealthy.
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_Maxxx_ wrote: Then you are both self-evidently independently wealthy.
No, just kinda working for myself and sub-contracting with a bunch of knobs when not having enough of my own work.
I don't interview well and can last a couple of years when I have too, before I tell some Mike Hunt what I think of them and or the company.
Michael Martin
Australia
"I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible."
- Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
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Fool! Know you not that if things were done correctly than HR would be out being interviewed, themselves?
As employees come and go they make work for HR to justify themselves at current (or even increased) staffing levels.
As for you? Get with the program!
| "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein | | "As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert | | "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010 |
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Meet the team?? Holy Elephant!
R&D is there for HR. But YOU seem to think it is the other way around!
On a more serious note: it may be possible that the test responsibility could be shared a bit with automatic regression testing and coders required to write and run proper unit/function tests before push/submit/checkin to master. Even so the 1/16 proportion is of course off!
Life is too shor
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Retro fitting unit tests into existing (poor) code is just too hard, costly and tends to result in poor test coverage vs cost.
Automatic regression testing -sure. And who's going to set the tests up? Oh! the tester; but wait - the tester is too busy doing testing!!!!!!!!!!!
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Maxxx wrote: Retro fitting unit tests into existing (poor) code is just too hard, costly and tends to result in poor test coverage vs cost.
This is the exact problem we have right now, along with one of the senior devs (who happens to be the scrum master of the largest team) viewing unit tests as a waste of his precious time.
The United States invariably does the right thing, after having exhausted every other alternative. -Winston Churchill
America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between. -Oscar Wilde
Wow, even the French showed a little more spine than that before they got their sh*t pushed in.[^] -Colin Mullikin
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I don't have a real opinion on the usefulness of unit tests, having never worked anywhere where they succesfuly used them.
One of the teams here write unit tests that access real data from a database, perform a myriad of updates and gets to check updates have happened etc. It appears to me this happens because the code developed is not test friendly - so we end up with tests that require a db server, specific datasets installed etc - and are slow as all buggery!
And the released code is still of poor quality!
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That's not a unit test, that's an integration text.
My previous job implemented a 80% code coverage rule on a system that had no unit test (or test friendly code) on there. So even if you changes a single character in a method, you needed at least %80 code coverage. Very mixed opionions on the usefulness but after a number of years and after we tied the tests into TFS's nightly builds, it really started to pay dividends.
It's a real tough start but I'm all for it. I remember someone wrote a unit integration test that only worked the 4th time is was run because it needed the other tests to populate the DB with enough test accounts for it to work 
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Is this in the Health Industry by chance?
I remember where in Cane Toad Land you are and a quick Google throws up lots of ads for what I reckon is 1 or 2 jobs in that area of the world for testers.
Michael Martin
Australia
"I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible."
- Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
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No - that's not us. Our ads went in a while ago - just long delays in getting interviewees in due to HR help
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Wait ... you have someone testing stuff before it's released? And now you want to double up? No wonder HR are suspicious! 
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THE Team, that is you I guess.
it ain’t broke, it doesn’t have enough features yet.
modified 20-Oct-19 21:02pm.
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