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phil.o wrote: Nevertheless mathematics can be facinating.
Funny thing, but I agree 
phil.o wrote: I'll read your blog about it with pleasure
Thanks! 
I'm hoping to start soon. I'll keep it simple so even I can understand it 
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phil.o wrote: Nevertheless mathematics can be fascinating.
For me, it is a great spectator sport.
If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP.
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A brain sport, then. Why not 
I never finish anyth
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If you develope CRUD in any of its forms, or plain web applications, or just another UI I agree with you.
Enter in robotics, movement, predictions, big data analysis, operating systems, chemical reaction control plants, scientific environments, telecommunications control, signal analysis, 3D, CAD, CAM, nuclear plants... and without math you're basically nothing.
It all depends on the field, I know many programmers who don't need math - I lurk on the other side, despite my knowledge of math is not what I expect from myself.
GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver
"When you have eliminated the JavaScript, whatever remains must be an empty page." -- Mike Hankey
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den2k88 wrote: Enter in robotics, movement, predictions, big data analysis, operating systems, chemical reaction control plants, scientific environments, telecommunications control, signal analysis, 3D, CAD, CAM, nuclear plants... and without math you're basically nothing.
Yeah, I'm not doing those 
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Then you're perfectly fine I like and study Engineering because it is way more broad than simple Computer Science - some of my classmates are doing Mechanics or Electronics despite having stuided Computer Engineering, while my boss is a Material Engineer but does program since 13 years (and he programs much better than the other two developers, bot CS graduates).
I dislike web developement, .NET, Java, interpreted languages, non typed languages and many flashy things that attracts many people, and prefer the hard & tough path
GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver
"When you have eliminated the JavaScript, whatever remains must be an empty page." -- Mike Hankey
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Don't think that is true. The company I work in we require people that do math to do certain work. We use the people that are good at maths to do that type of work. But the rest (even if they can do math, and all of them can) doesn't get used to do it. The result is that they loose there maths knowledge (maybe easyish to learn it again), because they don't use it. In my working environment it is only small areas of projects which requires some mathematicians.
"Program testing can be used to show the presence of bugs, but never to show their absence."
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You need to be math heavy if you move into data mining or artificial intelligence; which is computer science. Organizations like Google, MSFT, and Apple don't hire undergrads, they look for PhDs with a combination of math can computer science.
Don't know about LaTex, except you should not use lube with them. I'm old and used to have to look up those symbols in PowerPoint.
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jgakenhe wrote: Organizations like Google, MSFT, and Apple don't hire undergrads, they look for PhDs with a combination of math can computer science.
Not sure where you got this idea, but it's certainly not true. I know experienced developers who work(ed) for both companies who couldn't count to 10 with their shoes off.
If it's not broken, fix it until it is
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I read it. I read it many times in online articles. You want to be in AI or some analytical department where the big money is, you're going to need a PhD or MS with a bunch of certs. You want to be a QA or junior to mid developer, a B.S. is enough.
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Kevin Marois wrote: couldn't count to 10 with their shoes off
I'm sure they got cold feet!
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Kevin Marois wrote: couldn't count to 10 with their shoes off.
Arithmetic != Maths.
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined."
- Homer
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Yeah, I reckon math (and a degree) can really help your career.
Although it's not really the programming that requires math, it's the ultimate application that needs it.
It's a bit lame to say, but non-mathy people could probably write very complex mathematical systems if some mathematician did the math for them
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I'm not mad keen on maths; the last time I did anything that amounted to more than simple arithmetic/basic maths was in a previous century. I can't be certain it was the 20th.
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R. Giskard Reventlov wrote: in a previous century. I can't be certain it was the 20th.
You're either really old or really bad at math
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Ha: that made me think of this[^].
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There can be only one (if only math were that simple)! 
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Lambert was appalling in the part. Ruined a good story with his faux Scottish accent. And Connery... Oy!
Anyway, fun film.
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R. Giskard Reventlov wrote: Lambert was appalling in the part
Is he ever not appaling?
One of the worst films ever: Beowulf[^] 
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Sander Rossel wrote: Is he ever not appaling?
Excellent point.
Sander Rossel wrote: One of the worst films ever: Beowulf[^]
Never seen it... never will.
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Summoning all my arrogance, I ask myself how someone can get so emotional about a simple logical thing as a math test. Any human being with a maximum of one X chromosome gets emotional only if the test is not callenging enough.
Seriously, math is logical. No opinions or interpretations. If you really understand the underlying logic, then the test will actually be boring. Seeing the connection between abstract definitions and actual problems may be hard, but once ypu got that you will never fail a math test again.
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a f***ing golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?"
"You mean like from space?"
"No, from Canada."
If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.
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CDP1802 wrote: math is logical
I've never seen anything that made less sense than math...
CDP1802 wrote: how someone can get so emotional about a simple logical thing as a math test
Me too, but math really gets me angry, sad and desperate... I can do it for a while, but when I have to study for weeks before a test it really stresses me out to a point where it's really not worth the trouble any more. Math is really the only thing that I know of that does that to me.
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I've encountered two situations, one, where the math PhD's came up with an incredibly complicated algorithm for processing multispectral data (took on the order of minutes to process 6 frames of multispectral video) which, when I realized what they were doing, I converted all the FFT and bullshit into a real time lookup table transformation. 
The second was again thrown at the PhD's, this time to determine pass/fail modes in a switch ring redundancy network (stuff put into communication satellites to ensure that when a high power amplifier fails, you can switch to a spare, and it gets complicated because you're not switching electrical signals, you're switching radio waves via waveguides and whatnot, so there's physical space/weight limitations), anyways, the PhD's were trying to solve this for years. After thinking (yes, just thinking) about the problem for a couple weeks, I realized that there were simple topology rules that could be used to analyze a network. Granted, it still took horsepower, but I delivered a solution (that was 20 years ago) that is still in place and has evolved into a multi-threaded analysis application that solves for trillions of switch combinations and failure combinations in realistic time (a few hours) of churning.
Funny how in both cases, what was thought to be a math problem turned out to be not a math problem, but a "think about the problem" exercise.
So yeah, math is definitely needed for certain things, but the #1 rule is, just because you have a math degree hammer, not everything is a math degree nail.
If it helps, math is a beautiful universal truth. Think of math as discovering the truth of something. 
Marc
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s - stick that on the end of everywhere you've put math and you'll be fine.
Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.
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