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Marc Clifton wrote: Why do I keep finding this idiot developers?
It takes one to know one. 
Mongo: Mongo only pawn... in game of life.
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Corporal Agarn wrote: It takes one to know one.
And that is true. In my early years (30+ years ago) of software development, I wrote code like that. I asked myself, why is this sh*t so difficult to maintain, extend, etc. I came up with the MVC pattern long before it became in vogue, and I'm intimately familiar with its failings now as well.
However, nowadays I know a lot better, but keep finding "experienced" programmers that clearly don't think. These are the programmers that the company cannot let go of because they're the only ones that know how their sh*t works and how to fix it. It's a huge liability when one walks out the door, but if replaced with a good programmer, ultimately saves the company a lot of money.
Marc
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Marc Clifton wrote: These are the programmers that the company cannot let go
So in fact they're extremely skilled at appearing not to be extremely skilled?
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Heck if I know, I just wanted to join the diskussion... 
Anything that is unrelated to elephants is irrelephant
Anonymous
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The problem with quotes on the internet is that you can never tell if they're genuine
Winston Churchill, 1944
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I'd just like a chance to prove that money can't make me happy.
Me, all the time
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Johnny J. wrote: I just wanted to join the diskussion
Why?
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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It seemed like the thing to do at the moment... 
Anything that is unrelated to elephants is irrelephant
Anonymous
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The problem with quotes on the internet is that you can never tell if they're genuine
Winston Churchill, 1944
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I'd just like a chance to prove that money can't make me happy.
Me, all the time
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Johnny J. wrote: How many engineers does it need to change an engineer?
None, the diaper would be too big, and there's no spec.
"the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment
"Facebook is where you tell lies to your friends. Twitter is where you tell the truth to strangers." - chriselst
"I don't drink any more... then again, I don't drink any less." - Mike Mullikins uncle
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Indeed, it was a trick question.
But then: How many engineers does it take to change their boss[^]??? 
Anything that is unrelated to elephants is irrelephant
Anonymous
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The problem with quotes on the internet is that you can never tell if they're genuine
Winston Churchill, 1944
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I'd just like a chance to prove that money can't make me happy.
Me, all the time
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 Nice.
"the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment
"Facebook is where you tell lies to your friends. Twitter is where you tell the truth to strangers." - chriselst
"I don't drink any more... then again, I don't drink any less." - Mike Mullikins uncle
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Well according to the statistics: None, they got personnel for that.
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The client first tried a hardware solution, but the proposed equipment was incompatible with the existing infrastructure.
Then the client tried a software solution on the recommendation of his *nix friends that were experts in Javascript and node.js, but once the software was delivered, there was no documentation and he couldn't figure out all the command line options to download the various open source dependencies to get the code to compile.
Then the client outsourced the problem to a new consulting agency which charged him $250/hr an hour and finally delivered a candle without a wick.
In a last ditch attempt to save shareholder money, he decided to contract it out to an Indian firm. The resulting light bulb only turned on when it was dark in India and blew the fuse, but it didn't matter much because the bulb shattered after a few days anyways.
Giving up, the client decided to go back to college to learn how hardware works and how to write software. After years of studying, he's now patenting this[^] and starting his own light bulb replacement franchise. He's getting lots of publicity, everyone is talking about this new amazing technology, investors are throwing money at him, and Docker is working on creating a container for it.
Marc
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It's rather nice to see a young person get all dressed up in a tuxedo for his big scientific presentation.
The United States invariably does the right thing, after having exhausted every other alternative. -Winston Churchill
America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between. -Oscar Wilde
Wow, even the French showed a little more spine than that before they got their sh*t pushed in.[^] -Colin Mullikin
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Marc Clifton wrote: experts in Javascript and node.js, but once the software was delivered, there was no documentation and he couldn't figure out all the command line options to download the various open source dependencies to get the code to compile.
I was just singing .Net's praises to a colleague today precisely because some php 'expert' has given us some 'simple' code which involved lots of libraries and dependencies none of which have been documented and when we go online to find the libraries they are incomplete.
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
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GuyThiebaut wrote: none of which have been documented and when we go online to find the libraries they are incomplete.
There you go. My experiences as well. 
Marc
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Aaaaggh! And thrice Aaaaggh!
I ordered a new thermo nuclear deterrentstat for the old car and I went to pick it up. No gasket what they were supposed to have as well.
Why no gasket? No one makes them
I have bought some gasket paper and will cut my own using the old one as a template.
veni bibi saltavi
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Hey, man - don't blow a gasket over it!
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Shuggle fruggle gruph frubby grabbit!
veni bibi saltavi
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That would make me lose my cool too.
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There is no cool, Britain has done a weather swap with Hades.
veni bibi saltavi
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You guys bust me up. 95 F is normal here in the summer, it was 106 F last summer. I loves it, my precious!
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Funnily we get it a lot hotter in Hungary, most years it'll break 40°C, but it doesn't have this awful humidity. I've been out in the Gulf in mid summer when it's nudged 50°C and it's not so painful.
The UK was not designed for anything over 27.6°C.
veni bibi saltavi
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I was in Marrakech last week and it was nudging 40 but it was a damn sight easier than it is in England nudging 30, damn humidity is the problem.
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That is exactly my experience. There is nothing worse than a hot day in the UK.
Except maybe Malaysia, I'm reliably informed by a colleague that it is permanent sticky humid weather there.
"If you don't fail at least 90 percent of the time, you're not aiming high enough."
Alan Kay.
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Nagy Vilmos wrote: Shuggle fruggle gruph frubby grabbit!
I asked my Hungarian friend what that means and he hasn't stopped laughing.
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