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So would I mate - the world has changed.
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Taking the pregnancy issue aside for a moment, it plainly is sexist to offer a female a seat just because of her sex. That's kind of the definition of the word.
Wrap it in 'being a gentleman' or 'common politeness' or whatever, the offering of a lady your seat is implication that she is somehow less able to stand than yourself.
I was taught these sort of manners as a youngster, and see them as politeness. However, kids growing up today are certainly not told to give up their seats for women (although they are often expected to give up their seats for adults of any persuasion )
Bottom line is, I think, you should offer up your seat to anyone less able to stand than yourself, regardless of age, sex' creed, colour etc.
Offering your seat to someone purely because of their sex? Sexist.
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Quote: it plainly is sexist to offer a female a seat just because of her sex. That's kind of the definition of the word.
discrimination or devaluation based on a person's sex[^]
Sexism is a negative thing. Giving up your seat, even if the only reason is she is a woman, is not negative nor devaluating a woman. In fact, it is praising her and showing her respect. It is the opposite of sexism.
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I find this debate very interesting. Perhaps you could explain how using a racial stereotype is equivalent to racism?
Racism is the belief of the superiority of one race over another, racial stereotypes are more cultural in a way.
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How? If I recognize that some guy from China valued school more than some guy from America, and is therefore better at academic things, how is that racism?
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I'd argue that, if you knew both of the individuals concerned, you'd simply be choosing the more appropriate person for the task.
If on the other hand, as Colin's message implied to me, the persons were chosen purely on the basis of race, it would clearly be a case of racism. Just as its a case of racism and sexism when there are mandated quotas of ethnic minorities or women.
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enhzflep wrote: I'd argue that, if you knew both of the individuals concerned, you'd simply be
choosing the more appropriate person for the task.
You don't disagree with me. You're making my point, in fact.
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Racism is a terrible thing. But you make it sound as if even Mother Theresa could be guilty of racism just by even unconsciously going by a cultural stereotype.
When I think of racism I think of the Klan, and Nazism. That's the insidious nature of the victimhood culture: To blow things out of proportion and exploit feelings of guilt.
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Richard Andrew x64 wrote: Racism is the belief of the superiority of one race over another
No it isn't. Racism is
"the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races."
Not the word 'especially'
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That's pretty much what I said. The belief that a race is superior (or inferior) to another for whatever reason.
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Splitting hairs, maybe, but you only said inferior - the implication being that finding another race superior would not be racist.
But the point is it is about difference and not being better or worse in any way - it is surely equally racist to believe black people are less intelligent (inferior) as to believe all black people like reggae (just different).
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Quote: That is one definition. It doesn't have to be.
What would a different definition be?
It's not sexism if I open a jar for a woman. Are women sexist because they birth children and men don't? Sexism is not differences in sexes, it's discrimination and devaluation of a sex. I didn't make the definition up, I just linked to it.
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Ah, but there are people who believe that pointing out differences is always an "ism" of some sort.
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Quote: There were 2 definitions listed in your link.
Indeed. And they go together. So, it is attitudes about roles which devalue sexes.
By the way, where's your definition?
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Quote: The point is you took the definition that suited your argument and disregarded the one prior to it
Wrong. I used the more commonly accepted definition and more importantly, the definition used in the article that started this discussion.
You used a different definition than what we were talking about just because.
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Quote: It seems you are good at it.
Burn.
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If you open a jar for a person because you are stronger, they have failed, you're just being helpful etc., and that person happens not to have a willy, then no, it's not sexism.
If you open the jar for a person because they are of the female persuasion, then I'm afraid that is sexism.
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Quote: If you open the jar for a person because they are of the female persuasion, then I'm afraid that is sexism.
It's actually called being polite.
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Actions can be described by more than one word or phrase - that is the beauty of the English language.
Because you deem something to be polite does not make it not sexist. It is sexist byu teh very definition of the word as you are performing an action based solely upon the sex of the person concerned.
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