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Apologies...... I used a reply that was used also for another posting further on. I felt it was the same answer so used that one. Perhaps I should have re-edited it before posting the reply to your submission.
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Hopefully this whole cloud concept is just a phase. Fair play to some cloud services like Google Docs etc, but moving the whole OS onto the cloud just seems ridiculous to me, call me old fashioned but it is still possible to use a PC without an internet connection, isnt it?
Jonathan Harker
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jharker1987 wrote: call me old fashioned but it is still possible to use a PC without an internet connection, isnt it?
Only if you are happy to activate windows via phone.
Simon
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Simon Stevens wrote:
Only if you are happy to activate windows via phone.
Only if you use Vista. 
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Fabio Franco wrote: Only if you use Vista.
Good point. Although doesn't XP require activation too? It's too long since I've installed anything but my msdn license version to remember. (I abandoned windows at home for Ubuntu 6 months ago and haven't looked back)
Simon
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I never had to. I love XP and I don't see myself migrating to Vista (or Windows 7) anytime soon. It fits my needs, performance is great, compatibilty is better and I don't have to worry about activation.
What I think it does is a silent validation while you are connected (I've witnessed a pirate copy of XP been detected as such after some time connected to the internet).
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jharker1987 wrote: moving the whole OS onto the cloud just seems ridiculous to me, call me old fashioned but it is still possible to use a PC without an internet connection, isnt it?
Sure it is. Azure is just an additional way to provide software. It isn't a monolithic structure--you can use all of it, some of it, or none of it. Nobody, least of all MS, is saying that the desktop OS is going away.
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cjdunford wrote: Nobody, least of all MS, is saying that the desktop OS is going away.
I can see it heading that way
Jonathan Harker
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jharker1987 wrote: cjdunford wrote: Nobody, least of all MS, is saying that the desktop OS is going away.
I can see it heading that way
When the OS moves to the web, I'll stop upgrading. (I heard Ubuntu 9.04 plans to "blur the line between desktop and web apps; UGH).
Or maybe stop using computers.
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Member 4134890 wrote: When the OS moves to the web, I'll stop upgrading. (I heard Ubuntu 9.04 plans to "blur the line between desktop and web apps; UGH).
It's a sale pitch. The net nor the browser is nowhere near was ready as people think to handle that uproar in bandwidth. Maybe people will want to do that eventually, but in today's world it ain't gonna happen. But, I'm with you, if it does go that way, that's the day I start working on my own OS or join a project for one. 
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jharker1987 wrote: but moving the whole OS onto the cloud just seems ridiculous to me
Nobody is crazy enough to try that, if they have a lick of sense. The Internet has a long way to go before this is ever even feasible, and a cloud won't be the catalyst for this at all.
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phase in, phase out. be patient, it will pass.
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It'll be as much a phase as Web 2.0 is.
cheers,
Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
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I think this is just the embrionary stage of what can be a future MS OS...
The target is clear and they need some specimens to test things out.
There's nothing wrong about this kind of procedure, it's been applied for ages on several areas.
What bothers me is that it's not presented as a set of experiments to achieve a goal but as "the new greatest thing!" that it obviously isn't.
AlexCode
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Sorry ,
But no one has really thought about the consequences of moving Apps from local Servers to these new Cloud Locations.
Firstly most Govermental and Local Authority Unit have to abide by strict auditing controls... one of which is that :How much control over the Application do you have:.....With a Cloud .... none.
I think MS must have its brains up in the "CLOUDS" 
Its not going to be much of a starter  .......Not from some of the largest Govermental/Authority sectors.
ARH
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Yeah I entirely agree, there are very large sectors of the market which could never or would never allow their data to go anywhere.
Frankly I just don't see this as anything more than Microsoft reacting to others and trying to shove it down developers throats and brainwash them to go out and shove it down other developer's throats, they think we should all be excited about this without thinking through the consequences.
Sure there is a market for it but it isn't much of an overlap with Microsoft's traditional Windows market; the bread and butter market for Windows is not the sort of companies that are going to put all their data online. In fact I find it hard to think of any business sector that would accept this, at least no one with even the slightest bit of confidential information or anyone who has a business that relies entirely on their computers to be up and running. When it's all in house they have complete control over what goes on, once it's out of their hands they have to rely on others for something that they really just don't need to at all.
"It's so simple to be wise. Just think of something stupid to say and then don't say it."
-Sam Levenson
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anyone think of big brother ...?
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I just don't see where you get this part where anything is being shoved down developers' throats. If that is the case, why are they investing so much time and money on Win7, Server, Midori, etc.? Azure is just an option to use or not use as it suits you.
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You're right, that was excessive. What angers me is that they are wasting resources on a venture that goes against their core customer demographic.
"It's so simple to be wise. Just think of something stupid to say and then don't say it."
-Sam Levenson
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Have you seen the warehouse full of thousands servers that they have invested in in the States...? They are already investing millions into these Server Warehouses ...Does that not constitute 'Shoving it down Developers throats'????
To me it looks as if they are going back to the seventies by investing money into projects that are not likely to take off in they way that they seem to foretell.....Microsoft ..... Watch Out you may be Wasting your money again......
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DRew Hinge wrote: Have you seen the warehouse full of thousands servers that they have invested in in the States...? They are already investing millions into these Server Warehouses ...Does that not constitute 'Shoving it down Developers throats'????
No, it doesn't.
It does give me another option for deploying my application.
If they had spent 75% of the PDC hours on Azure, rather than the 15% they actually did, you might have cause for alarm.
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Have you seen the Server warehouses in the states...??? They have thousands of servers lined up waiting for the supposed migration to 'Clouds'
This is a pure waste of money which as an Accountant I feel is 'unjustified Expenditure'... its taking MS back to the seventies when they were investing heavily in all sorts of Projects ..All of which almost led to the downfall and subsequent downsizing of MS.
Microsoft.. Watch Where You Are Going.........
modified on Tuesday, November 4, 2008 4:05 AM
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Have you heard that LINQ to SQL might be going away, to be replaced by "Entity Framework". Is "Cloud" going to stay?
TOMZ_KV
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DRew Hinge wrote: But no one has really thought about the consequences of moving Apps from local Servers to these new Cloud Locations.
There's no law saying a cloud can't be on your Intranet/LAN/WAN.
I stand corrected. After reading the marketing rhetoric for Azure, the way MS is implementing it is the same as the way Amazon did. Not sure if it'll be enforced, but they speak of MS data centers right up front. Well, IMO, if that's required to use their data centers then a good concept will be heading in the wrong direction IMO.
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