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Hello,
The beta that I was running, never crahsed on me as much as that. Are you using some special features that cause the problem?
My only real problem [with the standard edition] is that I canno't debug multiple projects. Maybe I'm doing something wrong, maybe it's a bug. I'll upgrade to another edition asap.
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What are you doing that crashes VS2005 so much? I haven't had it crash on me once... yet.
Saying that I do agree it was rushed all the same.
regards,
Paul Watson
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It's crashed on me typing code, compiling, and a few times just opening a project. Didn't seem to matter if I was working with asp.net, or regular winforms.
It's annoying me so much I may reformat the machine to see if that helps any.
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It may be best to start afresh with PC and make clean install, I found game software interfere with the Visual Studio in past, so I created two window XP one for programming and one for games. This save reinstall and enable recovery from crash.
But nowaday, crashes is rare after playing several role playing games (half life, star war quake-4).
Good luck
Electronic Engineer keen to learn more of C# and .net programming. Currently using C and C++ for microcontroller application.
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I have never had one single crash in VS2005, not even using the beta editions. I can recommend uninstalling all .NET beta stuff before installing the release version. In fact, it's still best to format your PC and reinstall windows. (That's one of the nasty side effects of using beta software  )
WM.
What about weapons of mass-construction?
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I have the same problem with VS2005 IDE - it's the most unstable Studio i ever seen 
Actually, i rate VS2005 as beta quality product 
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Yup all three on a daily basis (ok more like weekly). But we need to use VC6 to support patches for previous releases (yes the damn api changes were that specific). VC 2003 .net, because this is one of our current platforms, and VC 2005 because this is where we want to be in the future.
So really moving to a new platform doesnt mean you are going to leave the old one, it just means you have new "things" to play with ! 
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Signal-9 wrote: So really moving to a new platform doesnt mean you are going to leave the old one, it just means you have new "things" to play with !
 I agree...
One in code.
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I too voted for the first 3. However, as far as the timing goes I plan to wait until the last responsible moment. There are some irritants in VS 2003 for sure, but productivity hasn't gone south and the work arounds are now old hat. The maint. patch for VS 2003 should extend its life as well.
So when is the last responsible moment? I'm going to defer that until I know more.
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Ron Dafoe . wrote: I too voted for the first 3.
Me too.
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...all the way, for the first three reasons. 
newest language and technology:
I'm tired of casting and C# generics are at least somewhat useful for collections
I really loathe putting all the code for a single class into one file, so partial classes are cool
There's other parts of C# 2.0 that I haven't even looked at yet, though I'm not sure nullable types is really that useful.
Some nice new features in .NET 2.0, but it the new features (and the old ones) still feel unpolished.
latest IDE innovations:
Intellisense is awesome
Intellisense in the debugger is awesome
Find all references is a godsend when refactoring
To stay current with technology in general:
Well, I'm actually not sure I succeed at that.
So, what do you like about C# 2.0, .NET 2.0, and the IDE? What should I be paying attention to?
Marc
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Marc Clifton wrote: Kicking And Screaming...all the way, for the first three reasons.
Just wait a few years. Then you will really be set in your ways.
Marc Clifton wrote: Intellisense is awesome
Guess I should have a second look? Did not see anything that was radical from the Whole Tomato product.
Marc Clifton wrote: So, what do you like about C# 2.0, .NET 2.0, and the IDE? What should I be paying attention to?
Question I also ask. But when to look at it? I really need a science project to do. Humm, maybe my genealogy pages?
"Simplicity is more complicated than you think. But it’s well worth it” (Ron Jeffries)
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Michael A. Barnhart wrote: Guess I should have a second look?
And 50% of the times dont even popup...
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Marc Clifton wrote: So, what do you like about C# 2.0, .NET 2.0, and the IDE?
I'm really digging iterators. I like implementing several of them in order to implement more than one traversal strategy. Also, one thing I've been experimenting with is combining Visitor with Iterator (and maybe Observer, too). I like the results so far.
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Marc Clifton wrote: What should I be paying attention to?
Anonymous methods kick ass. Check this out:
public void Update(Control control, string text, Color foreColor, Font font)
{
Enqueue(
delegate(object o)
{
UpdateJob(control, text, foreColor, font);
});
}
My Enqueue takes a ParameterizedThreadStart argument -- nothing special. What's amazing is that here I'm passing in the delegate, I'm implementing it on the fly, and it's using the parameters passed in to the Update method! 
Pretty mind-boggling, isn't it? When you consider all the extra code you'd need to do the equivalent of this in .NET 1.1, you realize how much of an improvement this is.
Regards,
Alvaro
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Amen to that. Besides, anonymous methods are the building blocks for lambda expressions in C# 3 and Linq...which are way cool.
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I am working on vc++ 6.0(not pretty much exp)
why cant some one who has lot of experience
clarify here which is better 6.0 or .NET
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.NET is better for Add-Ins but not for Wizards.
I am the handsome one in the crowd.
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VC6 is no longer supported by microsoft... choose your side 
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ok, seems that someone don't like my answer...
some on buddy, move out from the dark and explain your point of view !!!
i still maintain that VC6 is no longer supported by microsoft !!!! whatever you think about VC6 (and i personnaly think that it rocks !!), it stays a truth that it is now an "olding too much" product for been replaced with VS7 or 8...
i personnaly still use VC++6 for projects that i created for it some times ago, but for my new projects, i create them under VC++7.1.
this is for a standard compliance purpose first, and for the GUI...
now, come on, tell me why you gave me '2' for this !
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-- modified at 9:59 Monday 16th January, 2006
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What advantages do you get with a language like C/C++ in VC++6 compared to other languanges? What things cannot be done with for example lets say a typical business application programmed in C#/J#/VB for use on a windows machine compared to C/C++? Is the difference that big that it will make the end user go crazy and jump onto the table because it is programmed in C/C++?
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??? i'm not sure to understand you're point of view...
are you defending C++, of trying to understand what advantages it has compared to other languages ?
as i said in another post here, C++ has a big advantage when it handles commands at a very low level, with industrial performances (device drivers are the best example we can give), when other languages cannot do...
if you're designing a managing software, i agree that C++ is non productive language (compared to say C# or VB.NET - of even Java  ), but it is not designed this way...
does this make you understand better my thought, or d'you need more explanation ?
TOXCCT >>> GEII power
[toxcct][VisualCalc 2.20][VisualCalc 3.0]
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This Post contains much opinions so do not be offended if your one of them!
Im just thinking about how many programmers are actually programming device drivers compared to "standard software". Is not this whole .NET thing from Microsoft very aimed at just business applications/consumer applications with a stress to develop just that kind of applications and they often are very data intensive, dataoriented or what you might call it,(get, update -> data and so on) for different purposes.
If you would bring together all programmers in the whole world and counted them, how many of them do you think would for example write games compared to more traditional applications? Not many I can say! of course it is good that people want to do low level stuff (and write games) but if you look at the whole picture this is just a minor "group" in total.
(my opinon) Most of the applications that is built are in fact more traditional .Net "like" data intensive/oriented programs whether it is web or windows-like applications.
(my opinon) So this "group" really needing c/c++ for their work cannot in many cases choose other languages because of the extraordinary opportunities for manipulationg low-level stuff with c/c++/assembler language. But this "group" is maybe not so large compared to programmers with languages that is not intended or cannot do low-level stuff, maybe 20% in total (my opinion). So of a group of 10 programmers only maybe 2/3 of them would really need/benefit from a language such as c/c++/assembler and the rest would probably not need it because their applications do not do low-level stuff and there may be many economical aspects and skill aspects involved.
Languages are like different tools you have in a metal-workshop. A saw to saw small pices of wood. If the piece is very thin then you might Not need a whole sawmill. If you are cutting trees then you might need a sawmill in most cases. This is an analogy for why a programmer might choose different languages and in fact why different languages exist!
Now what I have written here is only my opinions so dont be offended in anyway, I just wanted to say this.
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robprogger wrote: Now what I have written here is only my opinions so dont be offended in anyway, I just wanted to say this.
I'm not offended.  It was well said.
Kevin
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robprogger wrote: What things cannot be done with for example lets say a typical business application programmed in C#/J#/VB for use on a windows machine compared to C/C++?
Some of us are not programming "typical business applications"
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There is also C++ in the VS2005.
I advise you to stay away from C#, because it is like Java.
Greeting from Germany
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