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VS2k5 compiler use is infrequent still - i mostly use it as an XSL editor.
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Shog9 wrote:
i mostly use it as an XSL editor.
LOL - I hope no one from the VS 2005 UI coding team sees this - they may be - er, insulted 
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They shouldn't be - five years ago, the VS UI for something as simple as editing HTML was laughable (remember InterDev?) - now, it's comfortable and helpful for a wide range of markup. They've done a good job on the UI (though it's still a memory hog).
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Shog9 wrote:
... which works just dandy with both versions of the compiler.
Yeah, that works - but it's not good code at times. Sometimes you would prefer the for-loop variable to be scope-restricted within the for-loop.
In fact, some of the code I have (written ages ago probably with VC++ 4.x or earlier) uses the for-loop variable outside the for loop. Something like :-
for(int i=0; i<x; i++)
{
}
int y = i*2;
That's not good code really. Of course, I can do what you do and move the declaration of i to just before the for-loop. But it's not very good.
I really like the 2005 compiler - but one reason I like it is because the VC++ 6 compiler sucked!
-- modified at 10:52 Tuesday 27th September, 2005
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
Of course, I can do what you do and move the declaration of i to just before the for-loop. But it's not very good.
:shrug:
At worst, you have an extra loop counter in scope (you're no worse off than normal in VS6). At best, you have an indication of where the loop ended - this isn't a technique i use often, but occasionally it makes sense.
Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
I really like the 2005 compiler
Yeah, it's pretty nice - i'll be happy when it's the norm.
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We do with ResOrg, although there are platform specific projects within the solution.
Having said that if we were to overhaul the code now it would be likely to go VS2003/2005 specific for the simple reason that ATL3 just can't support the functionality we use as a matter of course now. And don't get me started on the VC6 version of STL...
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Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote:
And don't get me started on the VC6 version of STL...
Shudder... tell me about it!
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
Does anyone here support the same code base on VC++ 6 and one or both of VC++ 2003, VC++ 2005?
Yes, but only after branching the new version of our codebase from the old VC6 branch. Development on the old branch is strictly bug fixes - all new features are implemented in the new branch. So strictly speaking, the codebases are different and don't require conditional compilation.
I guess it's very different if you're supporting an SDK/lib. 
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Ravi Bhavnani wrote:
I guess it's very different if you're supporting an SDK/lib.
You bet!
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
the same code base on VC++ 6 and one or both of VC++ 2003, VC++ 2005?
Nah. Ported all code to VC++ 7.1 two years ago with only minor to moderate problems.
However, it seems I'll have to port some of it to GCC on Linux. Now, that's going to be fun.
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The current VC6 projects are all legacy.
But our shared codebase, exactly code modules that are shared between the projects is also used in the old VC6 projects.
The greatest problem is the loop conformance, but we started years ago with the following define thats fixes the problem:
#if _MSC_VER < 1300
#ifdef MFX_USE_STANDARDFOR
#define for if(0);else for
#endif
#endif
So loop conformance was never a problem for us.
templates are... 
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Yep, the VCF runs on VC6 (this is what I use to develop it on at home), and several of the other members make sure it builds and runs on VC7.0, and VC7.1. No word on 2005 yet.
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Do people use VS2005 for developing commercial applications? It's still a beta so I feel like it's a little bit premature to use it, isn't it?
Marc Soleda
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marcdev wrote:
Do people use VS2005 for developing commercial applications? It's still a beta so I feel like it's a little bit premature to use it, isn't it?
I guess you could start develoiping with the Beta and when it's officially launched, you can re-compile your code in the final version. It'll give you a head-start. On the other hand, if you wait till it's released, you lose precious time.
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
if you wait till it's released, you lose precious time.
I lost precious time getting the code to compile on the betas because they were, to put it mildly, garbage. Finally, with the RC build, VS2005 doesn't get confused with the project dependencies, finds the meta data, etc.
I'm more than happy to wait for the release version of VS2005. And my clients have all said, "don't use .NET 1.1 and VS2005 until the official release", followed by "and we're quite happy with .NET 1.1. Let's see if there are stability problems with .NET 2.0 / VS2005."
So, it's fun to play with, but the reality is, my clients are slow adopters.
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Yeah, that's my feeling about it. That's why I ask it for, to know about the people that vote for VS2005.
Marc Soleda.
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Yes, I understand this as you can't release any commercial app with a beta but as it's still a beta, people should be encountering with some problems that might cause them hours of its time that might be very important in the cost of projects.
Marc Soleda.
... she said you are the perfect stranger she said baby let's keep it like this... Tunnel of Love, Dire Straits.
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You can't use VS2005 for commercial development, since the runtime is beta and not distributable. Q.E.D.
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Paul Watson wrote:
VS2005 and .NET 2.0 are already GoLive.[^]
Also, even if they weren't, you would only be porting your code to the new compiler (each new C++ compiler breaks code that compiled in the previous). You wouldn't be actually releasing it. By the time the final release is out, you'd have ported most of it and then you could quickly do a full rebuild with the final compiler [just to be safe it's all ok] and release your product.
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Hmm. OK, I'll grant that it's licensed.
Regardless, in my case, we do not develop or distribute using beta products as a matter of policy. We've gotten burned in the past (mainly by hardware vendors) where we've used beta products, and have then been forced to re-engineer something once the final version is released. This may mean we're a step behind the times, but it does reduce our risk.
Once Visual Studio 2005 is released, I wouldn't be surprised that we install it and start testing with it almost immediately.
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We've not committed to it for development, but we're doing test builds with our codebase to catch any porting issues before they become an "issue"...
As we write extensibility products for VS we're also of course testing with VS2005 as a platform, using code written in VS2003.
Anna
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If your software project is due out after the release, why not.. you get all the goodies now. Just depends on how much risk you are prepared to have...
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Eddie de Bear wrote:
you get all the goodies now
But, what I was thinking of is if all are goodies or there are quite a lot of problems that may be solved after the final release of VS ...
Marc Soleda.
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