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I interpreted it as weeks because after 1 < 5 hours it goes to "Maybe an hour per WEEK".
It wouldn't make much sense to go from 1 < 5 hours a month/year/project to less than 1 hour a week.
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There an option for 60+ hours. Almost like a full time job 
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I answered it as per week. If my wife didn't keep interrupting me, it would be a lot higher. Now that I'm retired, she seems to think I'm only here to be at her beck and call. Still, I assume that one must pay something to be so well fed and watered.
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Was this question set by an examnation board?
We're philosophical about power outages here. A.C. come, A.C. go.
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Bryian Tan wrote: Are we talking about weeks/month/year?
Because of the 60+ hour option I interpreted it to mean a month or year. I would think if you have a full-time job you are doing at least 40 hours there.
40 + 60 = 100
Since there are only 168 hours in a week that would leave 68 hours for sleeping, eating and socializing with family/friends. I am sure that you could scrap the whole socializing with friends/family and sleep or eat less but then I would assume that means it is no longer a hobby and instead an obsession.
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I assumed it was per week. 
Jeremy Falcon
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I'm a (unpaid volunteer) webmaster on a site I keep very well updated.
But - how do I count it? It's volunteer work, sure (so I checked 1-5 hrs, an annualized average). But - it's my job in the organization - so maybe it's unpaid overtime?
"A user screws up from Sun-to-Sun
So a coder's work is never done."
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You wouldn't do it if you didn't want to so i'd say hobby. Volunteering could be classed as a hobby I think.
modified 27-Jan-17 10:02am.
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Thing thing is, programming was always a fun diversion for me. Now I get paid to do it.
So, it's not so straight forward. It's always fun.
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All the time.
If you don't have a job or retired, then you are spending all the time on hobby projects. 
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If a retiree is spending full time on hobby projects, perhaps he should come out of retirement.
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Ahhh ... negatory, Grasshopper.
I'm retired. There's a nap for that...
- Harvey
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Shao Voon Wong wrote: If a retiree is spending full time on hobby projects, perhaps he should come out of retirement.
I really look forward to the day when I retire and cand spend full time on all the hobby projects that never go beyond the design stage when I am at work most of the day. If I live till I am a hundred years old, maybe I will have time to complete at least half of the projects that are on the list right now, but the list is growing all the time.
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It's hard to come out of retirement when grey hairs disqualify you from employment.
I too am "retired", so all of my development time counts as hobby not work.
And my husband still expects me to cook.
Joan F Silverston
jsilverston@cox.net
nhswinc.com
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JSilvers wrote: It's hard to come out of retirement when grey hairs disqualify you from employment.
I've worked with gray haired people. It's been known to happen.
Jeremy Falcon
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I like to think that, but Her Indoors seems to have a different opinion. Still, having a den in one of the upstairs bedrooms does keep her out for long periods of time. I get the odd visit with a cup of tea mid-morning and -afternoon. Unless she has a job that wants doing!!
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When I have a nice project, like arrgh.js, or writing a book, I can spend almost all my spare time on it.
Other times I prefer to play games and watch movies and not do anything else in my free time.
Currently, I'm into the 15 to 30 hours category, but if you average it out over the years it's probably 5 to 15 hours.
The difference between a programmer who does something, no matter what, in his free time and the programmer who does nothing is huge.
The first probably has an idea of the newest technologies and probably has done something with a few of them.
The latter cannot be talked to in a sensible manner, they'll ask you "what's that?" on every proposal you make. The only time you're asking them the same question is when you're reading their code 
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Sander Rossel wrote: The difference between a programmer who does something, no matter what, in his free time and the programmer who does nothing is huge.The first probably has an idea of the newest technologies and probably has done something with a few of them.The latter cannot be talked to in a sensible manner, they'll ask you "what's that?" on every proposal you make. The only time you're asking them the same question is when you're reading their code
I couldn't disagree more. I don't know any lawyers who go home and do law stuff for fun. I don't know any doctors who go out looking for random people to treat in their spare time. I don't know any truck drivers who drive HGVs on their days off just to keep their hand in.
I like to think that after a quarter of a century, I'm pretty good at what I do and I'm generally up-to-date with new tech but my spare time is far more valuably spent on R&R than working for free.
Slogans aren't solutions.
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You are on CP, actively contributing on forums, asking and answering questions and even writing some tips.
How is that "not doing anything"? 
Or do you do all this during work hours? 
Maybe these people never learned to write proper code in the first place.
Doing the same thing over and over from 9 to 5 and never learning anything is killing in IT.
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Yes, I read stuff and maybe post stuff that relates to work and generally take an interest (I was helping someone design a database schema in the pub last night) but there's no way that I'm actually going to write code when I'm not at work.
I spent many years doing silly hours on the day job and discovered in the process that more can equal an awful lot less. I think that there's an optimum amount of time to be spent doing anything (not exactly sure where I'd quantify it) but going too far past it can be extremely counterproductive in all kinds of ways - possibly even to the point where it becomes far worse than not getting to do enough.
There's a culture within the dev world where it's considered better to say "look at me, I do 23 hours a day!" than it is to say "I've got my work/life balance sorted quite nicely." At some point that has to factor into the high burn-out rate amongst developers.
Slogans aren't solutions.
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Yeah, you are right about that.
However, taking an interest is so much more already than just not doing anything besides your 9 to 5 coding.
I said "a programmer who does something, no matter what, in his free time" which can mean doing as little as reading an article.
I work with full stack .NET web developers who have never heard of anything that we don't use internally.
They haven't heard about Node.js, npm, Angular.js, TypeScript, SASS, .NET Core [insert more popular technologies here]...
If it was up to them we'd still be doing WebForms and jQuery and they wouldn't even know there are better alternatives.
When presented with a problem they just write code (mostly huge if-statements in 1000+ lines functions) until it is "fixed", no Googling from their part.
Luckily, we also have people like you who DO read an occasional article and take a general interest in their job.
They are the people who say "hey, Microsoft released MVC a while ago and it's looking good, perhaps we should give it a try."
Unfortunately, the people who have to implement it just write their WebForms code in MVC (and they wrote their VB code in WebForms, and their COBOL code in VB code, you get the idea)
Then there are people like me who love to code and spend their free time doing stuff they don't really need at work (yet).
Mind you, I'm not working for free.
What I do in my free time is not related to work, but to my own personal interests.
And yes, sometimes I DO get paid for my free-time work
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I think the distinction is more between people who want to keep fresh and those who don't - yes, I've known a fair few who are still happy to do everything in VB6 or something of the sort and often marveled at how excruciatingly boring that must be. Can you imagine spending twenty years doing exactly the same thing every day? That would kill me!
Slogans aren't solutions.
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PeejayAdams wrote: I don't know any lawyers who go home and do law stuff for fun. I don't know any doctors who go out looking for random people to treat in their spare time.
On the contrary, I know several lawyers that are very active in the community, offering evening and weekend consultations for free to women's shelters, doing pro bono work, etc. Similar with doctors, though the restrictions are significant of course, there are still doctors that will hold workshops on healthy diet, informing people about the latest medications, etc.
Marc
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Yes, I know (and heartily applaud) many who do pro bono work but the survey question is about hobby work and I don't know any who do that.
Slogans aren't solutions.
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