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My Dell system has Windows 8; 1.75GB and three hours later, it fails the upgrade with an esoteric driver message and spends another two hours rolling itself back. It's the first version of Windows (and I used every one from 2.0 through current) that I've regretted installing. It really makes me want a Mac.
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I loaded Windows 8.1 on my rig for the compatibility with server 2012, and remote management.
I hated the OS. It was strange to me.
But after about 5 months, I had it dialed in to my perfection, and I realized that I was completing programming jobs faster than ever. I use the stupid touch interface or metro for frequent programs or the ones that are hard to find, and the regular desktop for RSAT tools. Plus I pinned files folder, visual studio and outlook to the status bar.
I really like it now. Works great for me. I look back at Windows 7 now and it feels really old school.
Oh, the file copies and deletes are lightning fast.
no regrets.
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jkirkerx wrote: really like it now. Works great for me. I look back at Windows 7 now and it feels really old school.
Oh, the file copies and deletes are lightning fast.
Me too except not going through the hating it phase. I just figured it was new to me and I needed to get used to it.
Once you lose your pride the rest is easy.
I would agree with you but then we both would be wrong.
The report of my death was an exaggeration - Mark Twain
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That's more optimistic than me, I went from XP to Win 7 for 1 month, then Win 8.1 last December.
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I like the improvements and new technology Microsoft provided under the hood but it's the UI I'm unhappy with.
• I prefer Aero to the blockiness of the MS-DOS like window decoration.
• I extremely dislike the intentional and unintentional switching between Dekstop and Metro apps.
• The Start Screen is an interesting concept with live tiles but once application icons are thrown in to the mix it becomes a nightmarish hodgepodge of clutter.
• Inconsistency of settings where the location of some are still accessible through the classic Control Panel and others through Metro.
• Magic corners, swipes, and charms that seem to get in the way more than they help.
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Okay, so I sat on the fence until the bitter end. Yep, WinXP through the last update.
Had purchased my wife a MS Surface (WinRT. Yeah I know...) and it performed pretty well. While we were at the Microsoft Store, the rep said "You might try loading Windows 8 on your older machine. It has a really small footprint."
Well, I have a co-worker who is an ex-Microsoft employee and still has rights to the company store. I had him order me Windows 8 Professional. I shrunk my WinXP partition and loaded Windows 8 on a 200GB partition.
I was amazed. This machine has 2GB of RAM and yet it performs better than XP overall.
I normally keep up 3-4 applications at all times. It doesn't seem to have a problem with it.
Overall, I'm very pleased that I was able to bypass the hardware upgrade. The interface is different, but with the 8.1 update it drops me into a Windows7-like interface by default.
I own an iPad as well, so I'm used to the app interface.
I can do everything a Windows 7 user can plus some.
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... then Windows 8 came out.
I think it is faster and "lighter" than XP ever was.
It's like I have a brand new "old" machine.
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Windows 8.1 is great even from a perspective of a desktop user such as myself. What's even great thing about it is that IE is usable.
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moot means debatable, not 'mute' or anything like that.
think 'moot court' (if that helps).
f'get about it, no one realizes it.
or maybe you did...?
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Thanks. Learn something new every day. I always thought it meant "no longer worth debate".
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Right, it can be debated endlessly without reaching a conclusion.
You'll never get very far if all you do is follow instructions.
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In the UK it does mean debatable, so I think there is trans-pondage confusion. Still, my point is moot.
Alberto Brandolini: The amount of energy necessary to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it.
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Yes, that's one of the definitions. Others are:
- Irrelevant
- Insignificant due to already being settled.
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There are some things good about Windows 8/8.1 - it boots faster, generally runs snappier than Windows 7.
The problem is the UI - it just gets in the way. For me, an OS should be transparent in that it just enables you to get on with what you want to do. Metro/Modern UI is too busy shouting "hey, look at me!" all the time.
In the end, I've had to install Start8 just so I can keep Metro/Modern UI tucked safely out of the way.
As for apps from the Windows Store, I haven't found a single one that's any use - I generally get better functionality from the web.
I was looking forward to UI improvements when I first heard about Windows 8. I think Windows 7 needed bringing up to date, but the Metro/Modern UI path just isn't right in my opinion. Windows 9 doesn't look like a big leap forward either.
Finger's crossed that they'll get it right in Windows 10.
modified 31-Aug-21 21:01pm.
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If you ignore Metro / Modern its an improved Win 7... Boots much faster, UX is faster & smoother, just need to get through the learning curve
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I have no idea how it work, I had installed windows 8 for a year aprox. but it is not possible to install windows 8.1 because you need to have your user directory in the same disk as windows, then I suppose that many people as I can not install it. Put the user file in a different disk has been for many time a good practice, but appear that Microsoft has forgot it. Also the other group of people that used solid disk and have not the space to put the documents in the solid disk, also can not install w 8.1.
Maybe someone can explain me, why this difficult to understand behavior of Microsoft that has not give us a solution for update the operating system without destroy our configuration?
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isnt it possible to move these directories by editing the settings of that dir (or in the rightclicking menu) 
Press F1 for help or google it.
Greetings from Germany
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But I prefer 7, sorry I just do
Doesn't mean 8.1 is bad (it's really good), but 7 just makes me happy
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I like the Metro window manager when I'm using my Surface Pro, but Classic Shell is installed on my desktop so it acts more like Vista/Win7.
The kernel and userland are too fat. A full installation of Win2k is a few hundred megabytes and can live happily in 256MB of RAM. Windows 8.1 is what, 20GB? Even a tiny installation of the embedded edition is about 5GB if I recall correctly.
Of course in Windowsland and Macland the kernel, userland, and the window manager are one take-it-or-leave-it package. If I didn't need Windows 8.x for development (for metro and windows phone apps) I'd still happily be using Win2k.
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I don't like and don't dislike Windows 8.1.
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Windows: Life Without Walls[^] was, once upon a time, a marketing campaign of MicroShaft.
When I heard of this via a radio spot, I *immediately* conceived a parody commercial based upon this very marketing campaign statement, that being "Windows: Life Without Walls".
Here is that commercial, text-only version (yeah, ya gotta use yer imagination...):
Scene I
[Camera view: From 1000 feet, zooming in on a non-descript computer operating system company's office (non-descript logo on building's side) in a town not unlike that of, say, Redmond, Washington, USA]
A computer operating system employee (COSE) is getting off work, walking out to & getting into his eco-friendly car & driving off toward the nearby evergreen pine tree-laden mountains.
Scene II
[Camera view: Somewhere in the nearby evergreen forest]
COSE drives into a "clearing" amongst the evergreens, gets out and meets with a home developer who then holds up plans for a home, pointing here & there. They both nod in concurrence.
Scene III
[Camera view: from a simple distance showing most, and sometimes all, of house in various construction stages; hammering and other construction sounds in the background]
COSE & developer 20 ~ 30 feet from house, off in the nearby-distance here & there watching progress, nodding in approval.
Scene IV
[Camera view: The nearby evergreen forest where the home is being developed]
COSE, in eco-friendly car, drives into once "clearing" where now a new, bright & shiny 2-story house exists.
He gets out, the developer hands him the keys, they shake hands, and developer drives off.
Scene V
[Camera view: Just outside front door, facing front door]
COSE enters home.
[Camera view: Now inside, from larger Great Room area, facing COSE]
COSE walks into the center of the Great Room, viewing the outside "nature" through the various large windows, some nearly the height of the 2 story home.
[Camera View: From COSE's point-of-view, showing grandiose outside views through 2-story windows.]
[Camera view: back inside on COSE, 10 feet away and 10 feet high]
Camera begins to pull back and up, going "through" larger 2-story windows to the outside, up to about 200 feet high; COSE can't be readily seen; hold camera for 3 ~ 5 seconds to allow the sounds of nature to set in.
All the walls suddenly disappear, leaving just the windows suspended in mid-air, with clear view of COSE standing in the middle of them all.
Scene VI
[Camera view: about 15 feet away from and 10 feet above COSE, with several of the larger 2-story windows in the background]
COSE has exceedingly startled look on his face as to where and why in the hell all the walls just up and disappeared.
[Hold camera for 2 ~ 4 seconds while...]
COSE looks around in stuttered & confused amazement.
[A sudden mildly rushing whoosh of wind is heard, then massive breaking of glass all around as windows fall to the ground quasi-violently shattering all over the place.]
COSE puts hands/arms over head to "protect" himself, ducking down to the ground (he's far enough away he's not hurt).
After a few seconds, COSE begins to look out from under his arms, slowly standing up, hands/arms coming to in front of him (hands facing outward a little as if to be readily available once again to protect himself) all the while still in utter confused astonishment. House keys can be seen dangling in one hand.
[Camera slowly pulls back and up to about 100 feet high, showing full area of the home's foundation, and then some, with scattered broken glass everywhere.]
COSE is standing in the middle of the chaos that just occurred, looking around.
[Fade in larger-print statement.]
A Life of Windows Without Walls.
Scene VII
Fade to white.
Fade in non-descript competitor operating system company logo.
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modified 21-Jul-14 13:50pm.
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and no plans to do so in the future.
As I grow older I've found that pleasing everyone is impossible but pissing everyone off is a piece of cake.
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I will vote NO until:
1.The Left-Click Start Menu from the 7 days is given back to us.
2. The stupid charms bar is never seen.
- Don't "inform" me about 3rd party utilities such as classic shell - everybody knows that.
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I am still stuck in a world of Windows XP and Windows 7. At work, we finally got rid of all of the XP machines and moved on to Windows 7. Windows 8 or 8.1 (or 8.anything)? We are going to skip that unless we are forced, kicking and screaming, to move to it. We plan to wait for Windows 9.
At home, I hope to retire my XP machine later this year, if I can save the money. I work for a .org, so you can guess how big my paycheck is..... 
Lord, grant me the serenity to accept that there are some things I just can’t keep up with, the determination to keep up with the things I must keep up with, and the wisdom to find a good RSS feed from someone who keeps up with what I’d like to, but just don’t have the damn bandwidth to handle right now.
© 2009, Rex Hammock
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