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To say that it is "acceptable" to say "Yes, my language I learned on is in the top 20 list" when that language was BASIC, and that a variant allowable is BASIC ==> Visual Basic is:
WRONG!!
BASIC is *NOT* Visual Basic is *NOT* BASIC.
CHEATERS!
modified 1-Oct-12 18:46pm.
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I program for a hobby. Yeah, I know, insane pick for a hobby. I tell people, "that's how I got this hair line". I'm bald.
I started out on 6502(Commadore64) Basic and Assembly. Well unless you want to count the little bit I did on a thing called the "Wang 3000 Desktop Calculator" with it's 360 available programming steps and all in Assembly Language. Then to MS/BASIC => GW-BASIC => Quick BASIC and that's where the similarity ends. When BASIC was taken to a compiled/Object oreinted style the whole world of basic changed drastically.
It took me several attempts, several books and a few years to "get it".
IMHO
There is no connection from an interpreted / proceedural language to a Compiled / OOP Language!
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I voted no, because my first language was BASIC, and I don't consider it to be much like Visual Basic. Also, in the top 20 list, it was clear that Visual BASIC was not considered the same thing as BASIC either.
To iterate is human, to recurse divine.
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Message Closed
modified 21-Nov-20 21:01pm.
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My first language was ASSEMBLY, circa 1982.
My current programming language is C++, with the occasional C# mixed in.
Oh, and I'm not YELLing.
I'm just mildly over-utilizing the CAPS-loCK key ... yeah, that's it!
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BCantor wrote: CHEATERS!
Cheating at what? It's a poll, there are no winners or losers, and the results don't affect anyone...
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Cheaters = claiming that MS VisBasic is the same as BASIC to then state that VB a "first" language.
BASIC needs listed by itself to truly show some roots/heritage in the life of the modern, yet well-seasoned programmers.
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I still don't see how that makes any one a cheater.
Quote: Cheater: A person who acts dishonestly in order to gain an advantage.
There is no advantage to be had in this poll, so I don't see how they can be a "cheater".
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Easy ... trying to gain an advantage of the fact that "BASIC" is in the phrase/name "Visual Basic" is dishonest, for the two are separate languages all-together.
Just like C++, and C# and Java are all separate languages, though they share similarities.
So, there!
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How is that an advantage in any way? Just throwing the word in there doesn't make it so.
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Of course they aren't the same language, but ask a kid 30 years ago what they program and they might very well say "BASIC". Nostalgia says, 30 years later, they should have the right to say "I'm writing in VB.NET now, and started in BASIC while ABBA was still touring.
Besides, Wikipedia says "BASIC remains popular in numerous dialects and new languages influenced by BASIC such as Microsoft Visual Basic", and so if Wikipedia makes a link, so am I. It's a long bow to stretch, and dammit, I'm stretching it.
cheers,
Chris Maunder
The Code Project | Co-founder
Microsoft C++ MVP
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What use is there in stretching a long bow that has no string attached nor arrow to shoot?!!
modified 2-Oct-12 19:22pm.
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These are the first four I used in order of first used, none of which are on the list..
Logo
Hypercard
Tcl/tk
Foxpro
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First language was FOCAL on a Digital Equipment Corporation PDP8. Talk about squeezing a QUART into a PINT POT! Memory was 4K 12-bit words. Programming via an ASR33 Teletype. You young whipper-snappers don't know you're born! Debugging via the front panel switches and lights. I think I just showed my age here.
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yep! me too! FOCAL, and then we eventually got a version of Basic (which arrived on a big paper tape of course).
The truly 1eet were the ones who could toggle in the boot loader the fastest
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Now it's VB.NET.
Dinosaur with a new skin. I've been a VB.NET enthusiast since 2001; it's taken a long time to catch on.
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My first language was assembler. Spent several years after getting my degree working in assembler. It was a fun language.
Software Zen: delete this;
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I first started learning Basic on a TRS-80 Model I (my friends) then a Model III (ours) when I was in Middle school 6th grade. Then High school was a Commodore PET and Commodore 64.
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4k of RAM, Atari Basic, and saving "code" on a cassette tape. I decided right then and there that I hated Basic, but decided I wanted to be a programmer. I got an Apple //e a couple of years later, and did Pascal on CP/M. That was the first real language I learned, and even got paid to do it on DOS and Windows (back in the day, it was rare that anyone got paid to write in Pascal).
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010 ----- You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010 ----- "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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Those were fun machines to play with, weren't they?
My first machine was the Atari 600XL.
I wasn't, now I am, then I won't be anymore.
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Have a 5 since I was scouring through here to find someone else who started with Pascal. It was my gateway drug and decided it was what I loved to do. A year later I was on to the harder stuff (C++) and even experimented with some x86 Assembly in college.
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I’m betting you guys haven’t heard of MAD – the Michigan Algorithmic Decoder, whose logo was the grinning mug of Alfred E Newman of Mad magazine fame. Sometime around 1960, you whippersnappers.
Grace + Peace
Peter N Roth, President
http://PNR1.com
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You're right. I haven't heard of it. Unless you mean the magazine. Or my mental state for that matter.
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Followed by some MAD and then FORTRAN II.
JOVIAL (I've always like the acronym: Jule's Own Version of the International Algorithmic Language.)
Other assemblers (CPM, Apple II, 808x, C, Ada, ColdFusion, Javascript, Java.
Looking forward to another 40 years of learning new languages.
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I shoudda looked ere posting
Grace + Peace
Peter N Roth, President
http://PNR1.com
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