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Good luck. My parents did that a few years ago and got hit by a bunch of "the person who built the house was an idiot, and fixing will cost more" (which everyone involved was painfully aware of) scope creeps.
Plan - reality
1) Pull down the old wall paper and paint the plaster underneath - plaster was badly cracked and needed replaced with dry wall. (This one at least was semi-expected.)
2) Pull down drop ceiling and paint what's above - turned out to be 1/4" plywood on hung on 1x2 scraps, needed replaced with dry wall.
3) N/A - start ripping out the plaster only to have the window between the kitchen and mud room fall out of the wall because the idiot just cut a window sized hole and stuffed it in without bothering to frame it in place. Fortunately it fell towards the worker and he caught it instead of having it shatter on his head.
4) N/A - Discover not 1, but 2 live wires floating around in the kitchen ceiling.
PS And that's on top of the stuff they already knew about that would make the job harder like most of the walls being an inch or two out of square because the original owner dumb-![Elephant | [mastadon]](https://codeproject.global.ssl.fastly.net/script/Forums/Images/elephant.gif) ed his home one bit at a time himself as he could afford to built more.
PPS If you really want to blow the cabinet store saleperson's mind, show up not just with basic measurements of the room but ones detailed enough to include how off-square the walls are so they can plan how big of extra offsets are needed to fit gap filling trim pieces in.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, weighing all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
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You know, you've just given me a great idea. I'm going to take the cabinet plan down to a big box store and have them quote a high end cabinet order. Kraft Maid comes highly rated - there are others. Just as a sanity check.
Thankfully, my house was built in 89 with some semi non-insane electricians. The walls are sheetrock, so if we need to open them up, it's really inexpensive.
Charlie Gilley
<italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape...
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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Mom and Dad's house was built starting around 1930 by the knucklehead who lived in it. Fortunately at this point I think they're within a single room of having opened every ceiling at this point; and my Dad rewired all the first floor wall outlets via basement access when I was a kid, so most of that's been dealt with at least. OTOH Dad has left a few fails of his own along the way. 
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, weighing all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
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This is not the sort of thing I normally read nor care about, but it caught my attention nonetheless. This BBC article mentions that Rihanna is now officially a billionaire...which is in fact the exact title of the article in question.
As is typical of the BBC's articles, it starts off with a picture and caption. The caption points out that most of her earnings come from her cosmetics company. The first paragraph of the actual article starts with "Rihanna is now officially a billionaire and the wealthiest female musician in the world, according to Forbes". The next line in article pegs her net worth at $1.7B, with $1.4B of that coming from her company.
So basically, she's the wealthiest female musician, but it has nothing to do with her being a musician. If they were comparing her wealth as a musician with that of other musicians, then it's not really a fair comparison...given that most of her wealth was not generated through her music.
I wonder how she ranks when compared with other owners of cosmetics companies...wouldn't that be more relevant, if the point of the article (which I suppose it's not) was to draw comparisons with her peers?
As an aside...I had neither heard of her cosmetics company's name before, nor could I honestly name a single one of her songs. That does say more about her, or me? Am I supposed to care either way?
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Yeah, The Who would never sell out like that.
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yes they would 
Charlie Gilley
<italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape...
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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PIEBALDconsult wrote: The Who
The what?!
(Just kidding. Even I've heard of them)
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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Without her fame as a musician her cosmetics company would in all likelihood not have been as successful. So, in a slightly left of centre way, her music absolutely contributed to her fortune.
Her music and persona is her marketing platform, and an insanely effective one given her target market.
cheers
Chris Maunder
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Agreed. But I wonder if she'd rather have that sort of money because she's a singer, rather than because of her side-line...
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I'm not sure she cares where the money comes from. She's a business woman who happened to
start out as an entertainer.
It's like you being an awesome programmer who builds a business up and ends up spending more time in meetings, running around the country side, dealing with people, and growing an awesome enterprise that challenges you and rewards you with a cool billion. Sure, you were a developer, and you still do that, but you'd have to accept that you're a business man now. Your code got you started, your business acumen got you where you are.
Personally: I'd be happy if I made that sort of money sweeping streets.
cheers
Chris Maunder
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Chris Maunder wrote: It's like you being an awesome programmer who builds a business up and ends up spending more time in meetings, running around the country side, dealing with people, and growing an awesome enterprise that challenges you and rewards you with a cool billion.
So, that's what your life's like these days? 
TTFN - Kent
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Exactly. I'm really having trouble trying to find a spot for all these yachts and Bentley's. And do you have any idea how hard it is to get good help to keep the mansions clean?
cheers
Chris Maunder
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What's the rate? I'll clean for the right rate. I'm here to help
Charlie Gilley
<italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape...
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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Chris Maunder wrote: She's a business woman who happened to start out as an entertainer.
I wonder how she describes herself primarily. If you start out as an entertainer, you'd think that's because this is your primary aspiration.
I totally understand your analogy and getting bogged down into meetings and such.
I can't imagine she's very hands-on, on a day-to-day basis, in terms of managing her business, and she still focuses more on her singing career. Because she's the only one who can do that - whereas she can delegate the running of her business to anyone.
Chris Maunder wrote: Personally: I'd be happy if I made that sort of money sweeping streets.
Well, I can't argue with that.
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and yet some of the best s/w people I've worked with were musicians.
Charlie Gilley
<italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape...
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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You just reminded me...
Many moons ago (in the "glass tty" era), my employer bought a full screen text editor developed by a client.
It was way ahead of the line editors that we used, and fortunately the keyboard commands (ctrl/shift/xyz - no alt or winkey!) were configurable.
The originals as shipped involved horrible contortions of the hands. ctrl-shift-4 was one of the easier ones.
All became clear when we discovered the originator was a concert pianist.
Software rusts. Simon Stephenson, ca 1994. So does this signature. me, 2012
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Peter_in_2780 wrote: The originals as shipped involved horrible contortions of the hands. ctrl-shift-4 was one of the easier ones.
That doesn't even rate, pinky and ring fingers curled back, index extended.
Ctrl-alt combos are much worse to 1-hand since you need to pinky+thumb them limiting the orientation of the rest of your hand.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, weighing all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
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good for her.
CI/CD = Continuous Impediment/Continuous Despair
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I watch next to nothing of the events, but a question popped into my head the other day when sprinting was on. I was curious what ever happened to Usain Bolt. As I remember, he was very fast and had dominated for quite some time. Any way, when I got to looking, I found this quote:
"Usain Bolt made his first appearance at the Summer Olympics in 2004. He was just 18 years old and nursing a hamstring injury, and he failed to even make it out of his heat in the 200-meter dash.
Then, of course, he went on to sweep the 100 and 200 in three consecutive Olympics, and become arguably the most dominant sprinter of all time.
Bolt has since retired, and the Tokyo Olympics will be the first in more than two decades without him."
If his first Olympic appearance was in 2004, shouldn't that last sentence be something like, "the Tokyo Olympics will be the first in almost two decades without him?"
"One man's wage rise is another man's price increase." - Harold Wilson
"Fireproof doesn't mean the fire will never come. It means when the fire comes that you will be able to withstand it." - Michael Simmons
"You can easily judge the character of a man by how he treats those who can do nothing for him." - James D. Miles
modified 5-Aug-21 9:12am.
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You know that journalists can't count past ten with their socks on ... 
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
"Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt
AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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Sadly, the editor swears he is absolutely correct by saying, "The last Olympics without him were the 2000 Sydney Games, 21 years ago."
Heck, the first Olympics without him were the 1896 Olympics in Athens, 124 years ago, but that seems equally as silly.
"One man's wage rise is another man's price increase." - Harold Wilson
"Fireproof doesn't mean the fire will never come. It means when the fire comes that you will be able to withstand it." - Michael Simmons
"You can easily judge the character of a man by how he treats those who can do nothing for him." - James D. Miles
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You would think so, in the same way that cashiers should be able to make change.
"the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment
"Facebook is where you tell lies to your friends. Twitter is where you tell the truth to strangers." - chriselst
"I don't drink any more... then again, I don't drink any less." - Mike Mullikins uncle
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Looks like he's doing music now[^]. Sounds like there's a vocoder involved rather than singing talent but maybe I am wrong.
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Probably Auto-tune.
not bad, but not ground breaking or inspiring music (from that single sample)
CI/CD = Continuous Impediment/Continuous Despair
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Off by one error after a div 4.
Classic mistake. We've all done it, right?
cheers
Chris Maunder
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