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One of the other developers at work today finally had a problem with ajax not working right in IE... but worked in every other browser (Firefox, Chrome, Safari, Opera). It was because of that "User Agent" string that IE 10 & 11 passes (the site worked in IE9 fine). If they are going to say they are "Mozilla" shouldn't they at least have it work in Mozilla compatible code is passed back from IIS? We installed a "patch" on our dev server and it finally worked after a reboot. We can't just reboot our live server whenever we want to install this patch (we have many financial transactions per minute). The thing that makes me the maddest is that why use "Mozilla" user agent string if your not to web standards like Mozilla? Microsoft doesn't have a clue what standards are. I use IE to test sites and to download firefox when I get a new machine. That is about the only thing it's good for. It's bad that open source browsers/servers can stay more compliant to web standards than a company that has billions to spend. That is my rant for the day 
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Quote: Finally IE issue
I know what you mean. I never had a problem with IE until I tried to use it.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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We normally have to do little work arounds here and there for minor things but this issues didn't allow the whole page to work. A page written in .NET, served by IIS, and tested with IE. 3 MS things that obviously don't always work together LOL
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rriegel wrote: A page written in .NET, served by IIS, and tested with IE. 3 MS things that obviously don't always work together LOL
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JimmyRopes
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Unfortunately, the "Mozilla" part of the user agent string has very little to with the modern work of the Mozilla foundation and more to do with legacy web servers not service up frames (remember frames?) back in like 1995.
Since then, just in case a webserver is really really out of date pretty much all browsers' agent strings start with "Mozilla".
So unfortunately, using the user agent to assume a set of features has been just plain unreliable for years now (http://learn.jquery.com/code-organization/feature-browser-detection/[^]).
If you really want to know what the JavaScript engine is capable of you need to be doing feature detection within your JavaScript.
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What is a fact filled helpful reply doing in a blatant rant thread?
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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It turns out that my own ranting skills might be rusty. I'm far too used to having to bite my tongue and then explain everything to the client.
I blame my colleagues. Apparently its company policy to be helpful.
Anyway. Agent sniffing is just not reliable. The ubiquity of the "Mozilla" prefix and the less popular but still prolific "like Gecko" suffix exist because agent sniffing wasn't helping the actual users. It hasn't been reliable for donkey's years and it does lead to just the kind of problem the OP ran into.
Friends don't let other friends read the user agent string.
My big issue with agent sniffing is that as a regular user of Internet Explorer, (Lumia 920 and Surface RT as well as good old desktop IE), it seems like almost every day I face a page that renders wrongly because someone wrote a website, either (still!!!) assuming that a browser identifying itself as "MSIE" is going to use the old IE6 box model; or perhaps they didn't check anything at all and just assumed that all browsers on a touch screen device are going to include JavaScript features only available to iPads.
I also still have a Nexus-One for travelling with. That bad boy uses the "Android Browser" and it has almost no "modern" features despite it also having "Mozilla/5.0" at the beginning of its agent string.
I do agree though that a reboot shouldn't have been required. It is vicious cruelty on the part of the web server vendor.
Is that better? I'm a little worried, like I might have gone too far. I don't like to get overexcited like this. Right now I want to go and punch one of those gym punching bag things and then write a strongly worded letter to the local council about the state of some of the footpaths in my area.
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(comments based on experience using Windows Forms only)
1. you like having a scrollbar in the Property Browser that does not work.
2. you enjoy even longer periods of ui paralysis to the tune of "Not Ready," "Loading," "Opening ..."
3. you enjoy even longer waits for basic tasks to complete, like opening Visual Studio, loading a Solution/Project, or creating a new one.
In case you wonder, I am running Win 8/64 on hardware that's pretty pedestrian these days (6420 Duo Core, 4gb. ram).
“The best hope is that one of these days the Ground will get disgusted enough just to walk away ~ leaving people with nothing more to stand ON than what they have so bloody well stood FOR up to now.” Kenneth Patchen, Poet
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What version of VS did you "upgrade" (notice the quotes) from to VS2013?
The report of my death was an exaggeration - Mark Twain
Simply Elegant Designs JimmyRopes Designs
I'm on-line therefore I am.
JimmyRopes
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Sawasdee Khrup, Khun James,
I installed VS 2013 Ultimate Trial, then did the CTP 2 install.
Having reached the point of T63622A, suicide by jellyfish, using the 2013 CTP 2, I un-installed VS 2013 Ultimate, and then re-installed it so at least the scrollbar in the Property Browser works; I would have skipped re-installing it, but, the various projects I created in 2013 would not open in VS 2012 Ultimate 
"ngu, ngu, plaa, plaa", as we might say in Thai !
... approximate idiomatic translation: "neither fish, nor fowl."
“The best hope is that one of these days the Ground will get disgusted enough just to walk away ~ leaving people with nothing more to stand ON than what they have so bloody well stood FOR up to now.” Kenneth Patchen, Poet
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Sawasdee Khrup, Khun Bill,
I try to stay away from CTP unless there is a specific feature that I need.
In my old age I have become a wait and see type who doesn't install anything without waiting for the bleeding edge enthusiasts (of which I was for many years) to get hurt and work out the bugs.
From what you are experiencing I think I will wait a bit longer before "upgrading" to 2013. I may even wait until 2014 is stable unless I see a feature in 2013 that I can't live without.
BillWoodruff wrote: the various projects I created in 2013 would not open in VS 2012 Ultimate
I hate when that happens! Microsoft is notorious for that. 
Sorry I don't have any suggestions except to possibly take the .cs files from the 2013 solution and put them into a solution in 2012 if you continue to have a bad experience with 2013. That will be a bit of work but at least you will have a solution that you can work with.
The report of my death was an exaggeration - Mark Twain
Simply Elegant Designs JimmyRopes Designs
I'm on-line therefore I am.
JimmyRopes
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Indeed ... usually I don't swallow the latest pre-release dog-food; don't know what happened that I went for it this time ... a moment of weakness ?
And, yes, one could re-build/re-create a Project by just copy/paste the various files into 2012, but tedious ... that is.
cheers, Bill
“The best hope is that one of these days the Ground will get disgusted enough just to walk away ~ leaving people with nothing more to stand ON than what they have so bloody well stood FOR up to now.” Kenneth Patchen, Poet
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BillWoodruff wrote: a moment of weakness
I sometimes get the urge to play. 
BillWoodruff wrote: yes, one could re-build/re-create a Project by just copy/paste the various files into 2012, but tedious
I only suggest that if you cannot, or don't have the desire to, get VS 2013 to work.
The report of my death was an exaggeration - Mark Twain
Simply Elegant Designs JimmyRopes Designs
I'm on-line therefore I am.
JimmyRopes
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A clean slate is often the best solution.
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It's fine to me. Win 7/64, Intel Core i7 8GB ram. Just got NuGet issue. But I fix it.
Wonde Tadesse
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BillWoodruff wrote: . you enjoy even longer periods of ui paralysis to the tune of "Not Ready," "Loading," "Opening ..."
Ha! Funny you mention that, I have VS 2013 on my own machines and when I had to use 2012 a bit the last few days I realised just how bad it was at freezing constantly.
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I have to wonder why you're using a CTP version considering the fact that the release version VS 2013 has been available for quite some time.
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Sorry Pete, just noticed your post
We can’t stop here, this is bat country - Hunter S Thompson RIP
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Hi Pete,
The CTP 2 is an update of VS 2013, and was just released in Feb., 2014: [^], [^], [^].
Nevertheless, I have learned my lesson: never a CTP again !
“The best hope is that one of these days the Ground will get disgusted enough just to walk away ~ leaving people with nothing more to stand ON than what they have so bloody well stood FOR up to now.” Kenneth Patchen, Poet
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Community Technology Preview is just another name for Public Beta.
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That's a beta of an update, not the final update itself. I never, ever, trust CTP releases.
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Hi Bill, why are you using a CTP release ? I'm running VS 2013 on my laptop and apart from the odd package manager f**k up all is good.
We can’t stop here, this is bat country - Hunter S Thompson RIP
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pkfox wrote: why are you using a CTP release ?
I saw the sign over the gate to Hell reading "Lasciate ogni speranza, voi ch'entrate;" but I can't read Italian ?
“The best hope is that one of these days the Ground will get disgusted enough just to walk away ~ leaving people with nothing more to stand ON than what they have so bloody well stood FOR up to now.” Kenneth Patchen, Poet
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Still using VS 2008, see no reason at all to upgrade. If it ain't broke, Microsoft will try to fix it anyway.
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