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I don't have a problem with your post as such. I was just pointing out that if you're trying to start a debate on the relative merits of evolution vs religion, it doesn't belong in the Lounge.
But then we seem to have digressed into a debate on whether this was already a religious debate, so I guess that defeated the purpose.
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There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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I think the point is that many people simply don't give a fart, and don't even give it any thought -- presumably because they're far too busy with important stuff like analysing Coronation Street, their bank balances, or football results/statistics.
Those of us who do give it any thought have obviously got the wrong priorities.
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I think you've hit the nail on the head. I'm sure someone questioned this "fact" a while back and the study was flawed, as most people have no idea how evolution works on a basic level and this counted as non-belief. It is surprising how poor the public understanding of evolution is, even among people who have take some interest (e.g people hold we descended from chimpanzees, whereas we descended from a common ancestor with the chimpanzees, albeit a chimp-like ancestor).
I'm curious: do you actually have no interest in evolution or is this a debating position for DD?
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I have no general interest in the subject.
But just bored at work redesigning a database schema to work around some specification changes so just having fun to see IF Dave would directly answer rather than skirt around it.
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I am running tax reports that involve a lot of sitting looking at a screen whilst doing nothing.
It seems we both have time on our hands today!
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Sounds to me like your specification is evolving
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Dalek Dave wrote: Half of British Adults don't believe in Evolution? Really? No way. They got that mixed up with the US.
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The US is filled with fundamentalist religious types, the UK used not to be.
Unfortunately we have let in so many that are afflicted with that most awful of mental disorders, religion, and let them breed and brainwash their children, that the number of people who have any ability for scientific thought processes or are capable of reason and argument based on evidence and fact are reducing.
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+5
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Dalek Dave wrote: I didn't realise there were so many stupid people. Although a lot of them will be prepared to believe in a sky pixie or some other shite like that.
I totally agree. Just like the people who don't believe we landed on the Moon.
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You have proof of this amazing claim?
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Yes the Chinese or the Russians don't dispute it.
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That is not proof.
I have a theory that my dog can talk, but they haven't disputed that either so it must be true.
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If your dog could talk you would have been arrested and signing the register by now.
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He is shy
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Dalek Dave wrote: they haven't disputed that either so it must be true.
I dispute it. Your turn.
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I dispute the moon landings, therefore they didn't happen.
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Dalek Dave wrote: Half of British Adults don't believe in Evolution? Really? I didn't realise there were so many stupid people Did you just use a fundamentalist style statement? To paraphrase what you wrote: You don't believe what I believe, therefore you are stupid.
Dave, I thought you were more well spoken than that.
It was broke, so I fixed it.
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I believe the Earth travels round the sun.
The church said it didn't and many people believed the church.
And that is the problem. Religion is a barrier to intelligent thought and scientific reasoning.
Just because it was written in a book don't make it so.
(qv the same is true of science, and the default position is to say I Don't Know, but the current theory that fits the facts and observed evidence is [INSERT CURRENT THEORY]
For many years teachers told children to sit upright else they would damage their backs, but this has since been found out to be rubbish and that slouching is better.
However the dogma persists and children are being damaged by ignorance.
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Dalek Dave wrote: I believe the Earth travels round the sun.
Only "believe"? Not "know"?
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I'll just drop this here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicolaus_Copernicus[^]
The guy that said that earth travels around the sun was from the church.
I do agree with you that dogma and lack of intelligent thought/scientific reasoning is bad, but being religious does not implies that.
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But from reading about Galileo much of his work was agreed from the Catholic church but they said that it couldn't conflict with people's religious beliefs.
from what I read it implied that the church tried to suppress scientific advancements in its early years to safeguard its teachings.
But I also believe that it didn't suppress science or intellectual advancement but very selective at the time due to its power what it released / agreed with.
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Yeah, church as a organization really tried to suppress scientific advancement.
But religious people were capable of overcoming that suppression and laying the foundations of today's theories, that was my point, being religious does not automaticaly implies that the person has no capacity for scientific thinking.
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What astonishes me is the number of highly intelligent and capable people who are religious as I consider religion the panacea of a weak mind.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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