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I used to listen to users - I barely made any money.
Then I found that if I program to get results - I make money.
Every user will complain they have to learn something new, because its all about me me me, that day is over - get over yourself.
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The point isn't to do everything the users say, the point is to understand their needs.
I agree that complaints about having to learn something new are not important in that regard, but the complaints about Win8 have been raging since day one of the preview, and MS chose to ignore them all. Some, but definitely not all of them may just have been about "learning something new". But many were very valid complaints about real usability issues for desktop users. And these did and still do exist.
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I can see how there are a lot of things currently in the UI that don't work the way they are suppose to and affect the user experience, listening to the user at this point is just allowing the user to have creative input into the program not really addressing the issue and potentially road blocking the greatness that will come out of this UI if windows moves backwards.
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Agreed. Moving backwards is not a viable solution. MS needs to work on better alternatives instead.
As pointed out in a different posting, the vision that led to W8 is a good one - it's just the current implementation that is lacking.
That said, I do hope they drop the idea of a unified UI: a screen layout that works well on a 4 inch smartphone touch screen will never scale up well to a 24 inch desktop non-touch screen, no matter how many resources MS invests into that goal. They should instead split up the "View" in the MVC model into a "Scene", which describes the visuals in a more abstract way, and several "Viewports" with different capabilities that render the current Scene depending on their individual capabilities (such as resolution, screen size, touch-capability, 3D-capability, refresh rate, and the like). This would greatly help in programming applications that run on different devices, while still catering to the usage patterns of each individual device.
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I am using two 40 inch screens with wireless gestures.
As a programmer in windows 8.1 I never have to worry about scalability it solves that issue so easily
modified 11-Oct-13 5:28am.
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Correct. I love Windows 7 and I still have a few VMs in Windows XP. Both great. Vista = total flop. Win 8 = not yet a flop but dancing on the edge.
Users have changed over the years. Microsoft cannot just pull the trick of forcing people to do what they think is right. Users have learned that systems adapt to them, not the other way round.
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I think why everyone is upset is that they are learning that systems wont adapt to them any more.
When what they ask for isn't possible while listening to how they want it - the user gets silenced.
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You are wrong. If Microsoft won't adapt to the user, some other company will and MS will keep going down. Don't get me wrong, I am an MS and I love Windows above OS X (I use both), but MS needs to be humble enough to recognize the need to adapt to users or die. (albeit they have too much momentum, it will take years but it will happen if they don't adapt)
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Windows 8 and windows phone 8 continue to gain market share and have yet to have a downward trend.
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And by gain market share you mean that it is even worse than Vista?
http://www.zdnet.com/windows-8-continues-to-fail-7000016222/[^]
I have a Windows Phone sitting nicely in my desk. I use my iPhone instead as it is more user friendly.
I do develop in Windows and think it is great. They just messed it up with this one in particular.
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Anything that someone does not know how to use is less user friendly.
No old age population finds iphones friendly, but windows 8 continues to be picked up by people that have never had a cell phone, and comment if it wasn't for windows 8 I would never get into technology.
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And here you go again with a misconception. You write:
"Anything that someone does not know how to use is less user friendly."
But instead it should be something like:
"Anything that is not intuitive enough for someone that does not know how to use it, and if feels unnatural to learn is less user friendly."
I think the last sentence was not user friendly. I like better "Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication" 
Case in point: my 2 year old toddler works the iPad up and down like an extension of her arm. Gave her the my Surface and Galaxy and she basically just asked for the iPad. And not because she is a toddler. This is common on all ages when introduced to technology.
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If you already learn a way of doing something as long as you are faced with a device that is different then the way you are used to - you will be confronted with what you think is bullshit.
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You are getting too poetic
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Windows 8 would be the most beautiful thing in the world if it wasn't called windows and didn't support the desktop.
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Now you are saying that you hate dual mode because it confuses you!
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I am sooo tired of you. I will stop this conversation here because "you can't fix stupid".
Bye Colborne.
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Do you want for me to send you a gift for being so smart to 612 O'Connor Dr, Kingston, ON K7P 1N3, Canada?
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Oh and learn to code. You do tv mounting  You should learn to respect and add value to conversations instead of just going around making senseless comments venting becuase of whatever problems you have!
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I own a tv mounting company, a tv repair company which is the factory warranty repair center for all television brands I am internationally known, a real estate software company, Unidex software a company devoted to making software that competes with sql - it recently created 5 million records an hour.
If you wish to send a package to that location you are more then welcome, but I own over 14,000 acres added up from close to 50 properties spread across Canada, Including 2 strip malls.
Senselessness only comes from those not welling to understand.
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Wow! Didn't know I was talking to a mogul! Colborne Gates himself!
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If you want to go by titles - you can look up Baron Seaton
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Oh so you inherited your money! That was easy! Now go code, Mr Cable Guy. Isn't that what you are trying to do, learn, but instead you are just a lurker that adds no value?
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10 years of school, Always learn.
There is no need for lurking when you have windows 8 it notifies you of every change, as long as you know how to control it.
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