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GeneralRe: make your own backups! Pin
jschell28-Nov-23 5:03
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Amarnath S28-Nov-23 4:19
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YSLGuru28-Nov-23 4:54
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jschell28-Nov-23 5:07
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dandy7228-Nov-23 6:21
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BryanFazekas28-Nov-23 6:30
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dandy7228-Nov-23 8:28
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trønderen28-Nov-23 11:00
trønderen28-Nov-23 11:00 
You are pointing out something that is very essential. As I said in a different post, I guess there are millions of old backups that are useless, for the reasons you mention. In addition comes what you are not mentioning: Having the right software (that includes the OS) to run the application to interpret your files.

But I'd also like to mention that there were standard even in the old days. Open reel 1/2" tape formats followed international standards from the mid 1960s. The standards passed then was essentially to accept the IBM 'proprietary' format as the standard - which a lot of other manufacturers already had done. You certainly could move a tape from one machine to a different one.

QIC (Quarter Inch Cassette) tape was standardized in the early 1980s. The good thing is that there are so many QIC standards to choose from Smile | :) , but the standards were vendor independent.

We are all familiar with memory sticks: The USB standard defines a mass storage virtual drive. SCSI did, too, in 1982. You could plug a disk or a tape station into any SCSI socket; it would identify itself as a disk drive honoring the virtual disk specification, a tape station honoring the virtual tape drive specification, and so on. There were virtual scanners and printers, too, in the specification.

So it wasn't all proprietary. If you have an old QIC tape, you must find a physical QIC reader; it can be of any make, as it handles the one format on your tape, which is by an international, vendor-independent standard. There are quite a few of them, all international standards. Make sure that your QIC reader is a SCSI one (most of them were). Then you can plug it into any PC with a SCSI interface, which can be found almost anywhere, right? Smile | :) It can be of any make. Windows, *nix and other OS-es see the same files on the tape.

But cross your fingers for that SCSI interface: I was actively in favor of SCSI for a few years: One great standard for everything! It was daisy chained, not a tree, but the chain could have all sorts of devices in it, much like USB. Except that when I had to buy an adapter cable for the eight plug 'standard' for SCSI, and the salesman said I was lucky: There are fourteen different plugs used with SCSI! (this is 25+ years ago; I guess there are more now), then I called a halt. No more SCSI for me.

USB was sliding down that same slope: I've got A, A 3.0, B, B 3.0, Mini B, Micro B, Micro B 3.0. I have equipment requiring all of these, then there are some I never used. When C arrived, I said: OK, this is your last chance. If you come with anything new to replace C, you won't. Not in my house. Then I am through with USB, like I was through with SCSI.

I wish there was a (non-proprietary) standard. There are loads of (non-proprietary) standards - that's the problem.

Of course we cannot stop progress. We must accept new standards. If you apply for a patent, your new invention must have a minimum 'invention height'. It must add something 'significant' (as far as I understand, this is not as strongly enforced in the US of A as it is in Europe). We should follow the same principle in standards. B micro did not add anything 'significant' to B mini, and should have been rejected. Smartphone SIM card come in (at least) 3 different sizes; these are certainly not distinguished by significant 'invention height'. In software: We should accept a new programming languages only if it adds significantly to the ones we have. Similar with Linux file systems (although there is a natural limit of 42 alternatives that probably won't be exceeded).

I do not see 'proprietary' as a big problem. A much bigger problem is that various vendors who could have used an existing standard rather makes a new one - and we accept it, because it it non-proprietary / 'open'. Even if there is no need for it.
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jschell29-Nov-23 4:48
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trønderen29-Nov-23 6:58
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jschell30-Nov-23 5:59
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trønderen28-Nov-23 9:11
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jschell29-Nov-23 4:48
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trønderen29-Nov-23 7:00
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Ron Anders28-Nov-23 5:55
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Gerry Schmitz28-Nov-23 6:43
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DerekT-P29-Nov-23 11:08
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trønderen28-Nov-23 8:16
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theoldfool28-Nov-23 23:38
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jschell29-Nov-23 5:38
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trønderen29-Nov-23 7:09
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jschell30-Nov-23 5:48
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theoldfool28-Nov-23 23:43
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Paul Sanders (the other one)29-Nov-23 0:08
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jschell29-Nov-23 5:41
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