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raddevus wrote: Have you done it?
No need.. my monster machine is not feasible for windows 11   
Have you nothing as installer for the drivers?
I have never had such a problem (yet)
M.D.V. 
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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Use a KVM/QEMU VM and GPU passthrough. I've been running a system like this for a couple years now. All my Steam and GOG games run perfectly fine in my Win 10 VM. The main requirement is that your motherboard supports 2 GPUs. You'll dedicate 1 GPU to Linux and the other to the VM.
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Recently purchased a new laptop and without any thought on keeping Win 10/11 just installed Ubuntu 22.04 Desktop. Have switched my laptops to Linux when MS decided that a few years old hardware was unsupported. I currently run 10 Ubuntu 22.04 Servers on a VMWare ESXI machine and Desktop on my 2 laptops. Best move ever made.
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Wonder what you'll think when MS finally purchases Canonical.
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That depends on MS. If they make it so two year old hardware is unsupported then move to another distro. Have run SUSE, Redhat, and a few others in past. I liked most everyone but found Ubuntu is my favorite.
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If your mother board supports dual GPUs, have you thought of running Windows in a VM? I started doing that a few years ago using KVM/QEMU. I setup GPU passthrough so my Windows games run pretty much full speed.
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Not sure what I do to set that up.
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raddevus wrote: 2. Steam - I have some windows games i would lose I guess
I've found that Linux steam support is pretty good these days. Most games are at least playable, unless they are really new. Sometimes there is a little futzing about, but usually nothing too dramatic.
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WIn7 and Win8 stopped getting new Chrome builds a month or two ago. Other than perhaps hoping you'd decide to get a chromebook instead, I'm not sure why google would be claiming your only option is win11. Win10's only got a few years left, but a lot of win8 era systems can't upgrade to W11 without hacking the installer.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, weighing all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
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Dan Neely wrote: but a lot of win8 era systems can't upgrade to W11 without hacking the installe
A lot of them are 32 bit as well which means there is no way it will work.
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IIRC 32bit was rare for factory Win8 systems; with only some of the lowest end race to the bottom systems having it.
ex My mom's $200-300 11.6", Atom, 4gb, 32gb laptop came with a 64 bit windows install. As cramped as the storage has proven, 32 bit would probably have made maintenance a lot easier.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, weighing all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
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Wish I knew a foolproof way to stop updates on Win10 Home. I've disabled/deleted Win Update service eventually, but nope, it's reinstated itself. I've turned off every single thing I can find relating to updates and although it usually warns me and allows me to defer them (apparently repeatedly and therefore forever) occasionally it will just do it's thing regardless; and certainly after almost every reboot (which is very infrequent) it will apply updates even if I told it to postpone.
In doing so it's lost my all-in-one printer drivers (I can now use a generic driver to print but can no longer scan); it's lost all my Chrome cookies several times; it's reset screen resolutions; it's changed colour schemes; and various other things. Just sick of it all.
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Here's how ya do it. (Windows 10 and earlier)
Open a CMD prompt as administrator:
c:> NET STOP WUAUSERV <-- do this as many times as it takes to stop the win upd service.
c:> SC DELETE WUAUSERV <-- you have just deleted the windows update service.
Close the CMD Prompt.
Navigate to c:\Windows in explorer
Highlight the Software Distribution folder and Shift-Delete it.
This is an update cache that may have stuff to update you and peer pcs.
THIS WILL NOT WORK ON WIN11 - I TRIED - MS HAS EITHER MADE WUAUSERV A HONEYPOT
OR SOMETHING ELSE BECAUSE ON MY WIN11 MACHINE WUAUSERV IS GONE UP UPDATES ARE STILL
COMING AT IT.
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Thanks. I'd "permanently" deleted WUAUSERV but it returned... so thanks for the SoftwareDistribution folder tip. 
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To help with permanent deletion I keep around a file that has read-only, hidden, and system attributes set. When I want something to stay gone I copy it and rename it to the file in question. I have never seen a new version of a file I have done that to.
"They have a consciousness, they have a life, they have a soul! Damn you! Let the rabbits wear glasses! Save our brothers! Can I get an amen?"
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Block the update URLs in a firewall for your network. Call it a day.
You could also use a Raspberry Pi or some other SBC to do it, if you want to keep the firewall rules off of Windows itself... just in case. If you go the SBC route, Pi-hole is free and pretty niffty.
Also, most cable modems routers have built in firewalls too. Can block it that way.
Jeremy Falcon
modified 7-Apr-23 16:27pm.
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1) In Windows Update > Advanced Settings
Make sure 'download over metered networks' is OFF
2) In your network settings
Open Properties for your WiFi/whatever network you use
Set Metered Connection to ON
Windows can't update
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I don't know if it would work for sure, but disabling TPM in the BIOS/UEFI might be an option.. assuming you didn't need it for anything in Windows 10. Since Windows 11 requires TPM, it should refuse to upgrade, even if you tried.
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It would seem MS finally figured out what FB knew all along... your data is valuable. Macs do it too, but for some reason nobody cares when it comes to Macs. Either way, big tech is getting too big for its britches where they think they own us.
Hopefully, someone will actually make a user-friendly Linux distro that doesn't sound like it was named by an 11-year-old who thinks crap like "Donkey OS" is a good idea.
Jeremy Falcon
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FWIW - Linux Mint 21.1 is pretty darn good.
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"user-friendly Linux"! I wish I'd live to see that day... It will come sometime in "the year of Linux" 
Crappy names is the last thing I care about Linux. I've been using Linux since 1997 (Suse), I have a dual boot machine with Ubuntu and Win 10 and a VB with Fedora. I know/used several programming languages, have a masters in computers and hardware engineering and I am persistent. Not enough for Linux! It is renown for its stability, security, getting updates without need to reboot, etc. It is all long gone! The difference between Linux and Windows is that, while windows is an environment populated with programs/applications one can just use, Linux is the work in itself - always tweaking, learning, keeping up-to-date with the latest changes, dealing with applications that just don't work anymore because some 'dependency' changed version or was deleted, etc.,etc. I am so sick and tired of having to spend my time fighting the OS, instead doing some useful work. Linux has its place on servers, in embedded systems (because it's free) and generally used by experts and masochists (like me). Not for the casual/ordinary/sane user as the only OS on he/her's computer.
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You're preaching to the choir man. I love Linux for servers and/or SBCs, IoT devices, etc. as well. But, for the desktop it's still too much hassle for the average person.
I'm no longer a fan of Macs, but the truth is some people want to just use their computer without having to study for years to learn how to use it. Linux on the desktop fails hard in that category and it's not even hard to break the system if you miss one update - which on some distros will happen like damn near daily. I mean what, you buy a computer and are never allowed to go outside anymore? Problem is that nerds are blind and rarely put themselves in the mind of the average user. They let their love for their favorite "leet OS" blind them to reality.
Also, you're thinking like a tech dude if you don't care about the name or branding. Or maybe you do and just are reaaaaalllly tired of the other stuff.  But even if peeps instantly regret trying a distro, no average person will take it seriously if it sounds like it's named by a 12-year-old for 12-year-olds. It's just not going to happen.
As a side note, Unbuntu is slower than other distros. Especially on older hardware. It's the distro to use if you don't want to actually learn Linux. But it's also slow.
Jeremy Falcon
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I gave up and switched my family's computers to Linux Mint.
Win 10 (like Win 7) was tolerable. Win 11 is a rolling train wreck.
Win 12 won't save it.
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Groomer that one country knows the access code for. (11)
Further apologies as I may be a bit slow to respond for the next hour or two as the guv'nor informs me there are places I need to be today. 
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