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Yep, and Hong Kong, India, Ireland, parts of Canadia, Israel, Malaysia, Spain, Oz, NZ, Switzerland, Poland, parts of the USA, ... loads of places!
In Wales, we have a Red 'L' for Learner, Green 'L' for recently passed, Green 'D' for "Disqualified", and Red 'D' for "Drunk"*
* That's a lie: the D is "Dysgwr", the Welsh for "Learner" but you wouldn't know that from the way they drive ... 
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
"Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt
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modified 30-Mar-23 11:54am.
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Not in Minnesota USA anyway. Some families add a rear window sticker stating that there is a Student Driver - but this isn't required by law.
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Nice clue! I even solved it - after I spent a fruitless half hour going down the rabbit hole pulling "out" from "outline" (another synonym of sketch) and getting nowhere. After re-reading the clue I saw "withdraw" as a definition of pull out. I easily got the A from first-letter but was unsure of L for learner, but withdrawal was too good a fit so I checked my guess against your solution. The "-" didn't throw me off, but I was so sure I was cleverly onto something with "outline"!
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You should have posted! 
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
"Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt
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I had just solved it moments before my last post. I wasn't awake when the game was live. But I still work on them every day once I am. 
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Good man 
In a closed society where everybody's guilty, the only crime is getting caught. In a world of thieves, the only final sin is stupidity. - Hunter S Thompson - RIP
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A while back I asked for a Crystal Reports alternative (unrelated to the question below): The Lounge[^]
I got some very good responses from all of you.
Their reporting tool works on the web and in the cloud in .NET 5+ applications, which was kind of a requirement.
With that requirement in mind (and a few others), combit List&Label, Progress/Telerik and DevExpress made the shortlist.
Ultimately, I decided to go with DevExpress because it got a lot of good reviews, it's probably the most well-known tool in the list and their support is great (as is my experience with DevExpress).
I don't need it yet, but I told my client about it and we'll probably implement it later this year (after at least phase 1 of the project).
Thanks for the tips everyone 
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Thanks for the update/summary.
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I've used DevExpress. I find wiring report fields, bands, header, footers, etc. "fatiguing". One request was to add comments at report "preview" time. That was fun.
Unless you have a "lot" of canned reports, creating custom reports in UWP / WPF might be easier.
Related story: I needed a "monitor" screen for my app; 6 topics / tabs; many fields. I'd have some 20 fields going until I decided to use a single textbox per page, with wrapping, spaced the columns etc. using a stringbuilder; looks great (Consolas). Knocked off the other pages in little time more. Runs at 24 fps with no flicker.
"Before entering on an understanding, I have meditated for a long time, and have foreseen what might happen. It is not genius which reveals to me suddenly, secretly, what I have to say or to do in a circumstance unexpected by other people; it is reflection, it is meditation." - Napoleon I
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What the title says.
For most people this (hopefully) happened some twenty years ago, but I'm going to inherit a lot of VB6 applications, some even still work with a dBase database.
The programmer is going into retirement and this (reasonably large) company needs someone to take care of their software.
Our (and their) first priority is getting off of dBase, the current programmer already started working on that.
Next we'll need to move VB6 to .NET (Framework, probably).
I know there used to be converter tools around, but I've heard bad things about them.
They're usually not worth the effort.
Ideally, I'd rather just rewrite everything to web-based and cloud-ready .NET 6 applications, but I don't think we'll have the time nor money.
Any tips (other than "RUN!")?
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As someone who had to do this for a couple of clients, I can definitely say stay away from the conversion tools... they do not work!
If this software is critical to the company's business, I think you will have no option but to rewrite. Just hope that the current version works as is while you do that.
One thing I tried doing was to keep the UI same (or as similar as possible) so that users do not have to be re-trained a lot.
Happiness will never come to those who fail to appreciate what they already have. -Anon
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It's a while since I had to, but the conversion tool with Vis Studio 2003 worked fine for me, I copied the UI in VB.Net was told to make it as close as I could 'convert the old one, that worked' only had rough code behind buttons converted it and it worked (then I ran).
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So you want to go from VB6 to VB.NET? If you want to go from VB.NET to C# there is a host of problems which I encountered frequently... Have to do lots of things manually, even with code I wrote myself 
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The problem is VB.NET is your target. VB.NET is not getting any new features. There was a time when MS said they were developing VB.NET and C# side-by-side, with the same features between the two. That has since been killed. VB.NET is going to "wither on the vine" without new features.
I'm going to say your best bet is to rewrite from scratch in C# instead.
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It's safe to assume that people are not mentally challenged, and this is the first option that springs to their mind. But verry often, the time, resources and/or management's grasp of reality (or lack of) are preventing from going this path. Especially, when the purpose of the whole thing is just a small change in the current system.
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Dude, all I said was moving to VB.NET isn't really a good choice because of its limited lifetime. If a conversion to .NET (anything) was going to happen, a more appropriate target would be C#.
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Appropriate, sure. I am one that totally agrees with you as I once had to deal with a pile of VB6 and it is no fun at all.
As for getting signoff or access to resources or getting people to actually want to be forward thinking that are the final decision makers? This is a completely different issue and the bigger the company, expect the least ideal option being selected. And no it won't make sense. And yes, you will be frustrated greatly.
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There is no doubt that C# is a solid move, provided that is in your skillset. If not vb.net is not going away as fast as everyone says. It was supposed to be gone in 2010,2015, 2019, 2022 and there are still MANY that use it. I have a friend who converted all of his work to C# and started his own business and nearly all the work he does is vb.net, not conversions. just vb. So until everyone makes the switch it will exist and probably till the end of my lifetime.
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Is VB.NET the target? The OP isn't clear regarding that, although his statement can be taken that way. The wording indicates .NET Framework, not a newer version.
That said, I agree, C# is a better choice for the reasons you stated. At the time, VB.NET was a panacea for the extensive VB community, but as time has passed, so has the need for VB.NET, and MS has done less and less with it.
I'd target Framework 4.8.1 instead of a CORE release.
Why? Lifecycle. Framework has a lifespan as long as Windows contains it, which is 2029 for Win10, and I'm haven't checked for Win11.
Even versions (v6, v8) of CORE have a 3 year lifespan, while odd versions (v7) have an 18 month lifespan. That places an excessive burden on IT to update applications for which there is no business reason to update.
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Agreed. I've got a bunch of tools I've written over the last 15 years and I'm torn on either using 4.8.1 or .NET 8.0 for the lifetime. It's entirely possible that .NET is going to outlast .NET Framework and the tools I'm involved with can be used for 20+ years, some of them are over 15 years old now.
It would be nice if MS slowed the pace down a bit so the real word can catch up.
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Yeah, my preference is .NET web application if possible.
For desktop apps either Uno or .NET MAUI.
All in C#, of course.
I used to be fluent in VB.NET, but use it or lose it, and I'm not using it a lot anymore.
Of course the client gets to have a say in this too 
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The belief that MS is eventually going to kill off VB.Net is incorrect - but only because one person in MS said something incredibly misleading like, "We are no longer going to co-evolve VB.Net and C#."
The reality is that wherever VB.Net and C# are both language choices, MS will update both languages if a new substantive feature is added (except for .NET Framework 4.8). But if MS introduces something completely new, then C# will be the only language available. My thinking is that MS decided that, long term, they don't want to spend resources supporting two languages in every new 'platform' going forward forever. Minimizing duplicate work is a good business decision, and I think that C# was the 'winner' only due to perceived popularity. That decision would have been made several years ago.
The March 2023 TIOBE score rated VB.Net as the 6th most popular language, where C# is ranked 5th. In 2018 VB.Net was ranked 15th and C# was ranked 5th. C# has not moved in rank but VB.Net has moved up by 10 ranks. Hmmm - did MS really make the right choice? I think not.
See this site: TIOBE Index - TIOBE[^] Also, they use 'Visual Basic' for 'VB.Net' - you can read TIOBE's description of why they do this.
I am a VB.Net developer in WinForms. From what I can see - VB.Net is a better language. Not because one language allows for a better user experience - but because it allows for a better developer experience. The syntax is simpler, there's no need to type a semicolon at the end of every line of code, and there are no braces. Also, VB.Net does respect character capitalization in variables - a possible opportunity for error in C#. Does everyone remember KISS? VB.Net = KISS. All other things being equal you can finish an application faster using VB.Net than using C#. Anyone have customers? Customers will call you back for their next project if you can deliver faster. Have wallet? - Need customers!
Both languages compile to the .NET Runtime. They are actually so similar 'under the covers' that you can get an extension in Visual Studio to quickly convert from one language to the other. So why keep using the more difficult and time-consuming language?
Also, using .NET Framework 4.8 is a good choice for a long-term business app that needs solid stability and little maintenance. MS has stated, "As long as there is a Windows OS, there will be a .NET Framework 4.8." The Framework will receive Quality Updates and Security Updates, but not (or probably won't receive) Feature Updates. Winforms already has a long list of features that should satisfy most internal business applications. .NET Framework 4.8 might become the most stable platform available anywhere.
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I came from a huge background in BASIC, from weird varieties in 1979 all the way through modern day VB.NET. The switch to C# wasn't difficult at all. The only thing I hate about VB compared to C# is the verbosity. Less typing in C#, even with the semi-colons, to me, equals more readable, and a quicker read of code.
The point you made in your post as a VB.NET guy, to me anyway, is the MS flip-flopping on the future of VB.NET over the years has put a slightly darker cloud over it, even if it is supported 'til the end of my lifetime. I don't hear any of that kind of talk coming from anyone as MS at all when it comes to C#.
You may find C# more difficult, but not everyone does. I guess it depends on your background. Alongside the VB background, I also dig around in various flavors of assembly, C/C++, COBOL, javascript (yuk!), and others, so curly braces and sparce or esoteric syntax doesn't bother me at all. I get paid by the app, not the character count, and I can bang out an app just as fast.
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DanW52 wrote: The belief that MS is eventually going to kill off VB.Net is incorrect - but only because one person in MS said something incredibly misleading like, "We are no longer going to co-evolve VB.Net and C#."
Nope. "Co-evolution" ceased in 2017, and numerous statements by MS indicate that VB.NET is being maintained, but not "evolved" as C# is.
I suspect MS learned a harsh lesson from the way it killed VB6. Alienating users of the most popular programming tool was amazingly foolish. So VB.NET is being maintained, but no effort is put into it.
It may be that VB.NET has a long lifespan, and it's great for Windows-only applications, but the handwriting is on the wall.
Granted, the list of tools I learned that faded into obscurity or were outright terminated is a long one. Anyone who's been in the industry long enough can probably say the same. It's the nature of the beast.
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