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Maximilien10-Feb-23 2:23

Maximilien

10-Feb-23 2:23

"female voices needs about twice as much bits of information" ???

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Slow Eddie10-Feb-23 3:23

Slow Eddie

10-Feb-23 3:23

We always called them "Biff and Flip" machines. I had a dog I named "Biff" for that reason.

Daniel Pfeffer10-Feb-23 4:16

Daniel Pfeffer

10-Feb-23 4:16

Maximilien wrote:
female voices needs about twice as much bits of information

It makes sense that you'd need more bits to synthesize a female voice - female voices have a higher pitch than male voices, therefore a higher frequency is necessary to encode them properly. Whether the frequency must be double, I have no idea.

I ignore issues such as varying volume (possibly female voices vary naturally more than male?), which would also add to the required bit rate.

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kalberts10-Feb-23 11:53

kalberts

10-Feb-23 11:53

You seem to suggest that a higher pitched voiced conveys more information, thus requiring more bits.

I dare to challenge that assumption.

jmaida10-Feb-23 14:17

10-Feb-23 14:17

I think what Dan is saying is that higher frequency information requires more bits of encoding.
From my perspective, whether a high frequency voice has more information than a lower one is a density factor rather a quality of information. Yes, more information but not necessarily better information. Just saying. Interesting question.

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Daniel Pfeffer11-Feb-23 6:40

Daniel Pfeffer

11-Feb-23 6:40

In order to correctly represent a tone (no aliasing or other artifacts), the Nyquist-Shannon Theorem requires at least 2 data points for each cycle. As female voices have a higher pitch than male voices, reproducing them accurately requires a higher sampling rate, i.e. more bits/second.

It is in this sense that female voices require a higher bit rate than male voices.

A higher frequency does allow for faster transmission of data, but that depends on the encoding. The encoding used by female voices does not markedly differ from that used by male voices, therefore the data transmission rate is similar.

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trønderen11-Feb-23 7:58

trønderen

11-Feb-23 7:58

A tone can be represented in many ways. E.g. MIDI tone representation used a constant number of bits regardless of the pitch. If all the information you intend to convey (or preserve) is the pitch, representing the waveform is a truly wasteful format.

I have not yet heard any feminist claim that female speech carries more information than male speech because the female voice is higher pitched. Considering some other rather crazy feminist arguments I have heard, I wouldn't be surprised if this pops up as well.

jmaida11-Feb-23 17:12

11-Feb-23 17:12

agree

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