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Marc Clifton wrote: Getting .NET 6 installed wasn't too hard, except I discovered that flavors of Ubuntu > 18.04 don't work. Debian worked fine.
Which is weird (and annoying), because Ubuntu is based on Debian...
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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Why? It's Linux, that's why. 
If your neighbours don't listen to The Ramones, turn it up real loud so they can.
“We didn't have a positive song until we wrote 'Now I Wanna Sniff Some Glue!'” ― Dee Dee Ramone
"The Democrats want my guns and the Republicans want my porno mags and I ain't giving up either" - Joey Ramone
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Eddy Vluggen wrote: Did you notice how many machines run on it? You prolly have those at home
The thing is: I don't see the Linux.
At the developer level, the fight between Windows and Linux has been on several battlegrounds, such as Command Line Interface vs. GUI. I see no CLI in Android. It has been 42 different file systems vs. NTFS. None of the "anonymous" Linux devices I encounter let me choose the file system I consider the best; actually, I do not see the file system at all. The 'elegance' of the fork() concept, and great value of a process having its own isolated address space. That you can edit the configuration file of any application using a 7-bit ASCII editor. The 'elegance' of creating a file to act as a semaphore. The 'obvious' thing that "MyFile" and "Myfile" are two distinct files, and "My File" of course can't be used as a name because it would break the great majority of tools ...
I do not see any of the promoted 'qualities' of Linux (or *nix in general) in any of those anonymous Linux devices. If another OS had been playing in the background, I wouldn't know. Someone might give me a new smartphone (I need it; the glass is broken on my six year old one) with the same apps, same icons etc. as my old one, and if done properly, I wouldn't have been able to detect that the underlaying OS was Windows. Not until I checked the System information, or was told that I would have to download apps from MS Store. Noting in the ordinary user interface would have told.
So Linux is there, but you won't notice it. You have to read it somewhere else, or be told by an evangelist.
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You did not see.
We just using it, and not just Linux. I been here since QNX.
You go ahead and throw with discussions. Open source is democracy.
Bastard Programmer from Hell 
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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It's because most Linux software is created by a loose association of many different people in their spare time.
Ever hear the old joke, a camel is just a horse that was designed by a committee.
The difficult we do right away...
...the impossible takes slightly longer.
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Quite the joke, since a camel is a horse with more endurance. The lump is also great on BBQ. Camels > horses.
It wasn't designed by politics, and it still competes with the top 1 commercial package called Windows, without similar funding. All I need runs under Linux, including all my games. Even C# there, with some differences your R&D may pay for itself.
The only thing that makes sure it won't work is Visual Studio.
Bastard Programmer from Hell
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote: it still competes with the top 1 commercial package called Windows, without similar funding
When the 'idealistic' aspects of Linux need to be stressed, it is 'without similar funding'.
If the professional quality of Linux components need to be stressed, there are thousands of highly qualified developers working in companies with extremely high quality standards that contributes to the common good.
There is a lot of truth to the second point (except that lots of Linux software made during working hours may be a few notches below 'extremely high quality standards). Funding rarely is any problem for the great majority of Linux software. Thousands of companies let their employees spend part (or all) of their working time doing the development. I have myself worked on a handful of projects where the bosses knew the marketing value of "our software is free and open, and we welcome external contributions": If "open software" had not been included in the project description, we would have had a lot more difficulty raising our project on the internal funding scale - even when we couldn't possibly imagine who would care for the code we developed.
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trønderen wrote: When the 'idealistic' aspects of Linux need to be stressed, it is 'without similar funding'.
It is, isn't it?
trønderen wrote: If the professional quality of Linux components need to be stressed, there are thousands of highly qualified developers working in companies with extremely high quality standards that contributes to the common good.
Whoa, I was nearly impressed 
trønderen wrote: There is a lot of truth to the second point
Yeah, whatever.
Bastard Programmer from Hell
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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It's that way, so you can claim to be a guru once you get it working.
BTW, I got one sert up on linux 0.98 wat back when.
You should have tried it without the interwebs to search for documentation. It was painful.
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DrWalter PE wrote: It's that way, so you can claim to be a guru once you get it working.
I don't see the problem? Raspberri Pi's don't work on VB6.
Bastard Programmer from Hell
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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DrWalter PE wrote: You should have tried it without the interwebs to search for documentation. It was painful.
OMG. I can only imagine. Then again, the stuff on the interwebs is contradictory and often wrong.
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Marc Clifton wrote: I don't understand why it has to be so complicated
Because, if you don't know how to do it from the innate elegance of all things that are Linux, none of the other Linux afficionado's want you to find out. They're worried that your voice might drown theirs out in their worship at Linus' feet.
Software Zen: delete this;
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I did some WarCraft on some brand of Linux. Some Rimorld too.
The only thing I miss, is VS.
Bastard Programmer from Hell
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Ain't no picnic regardless of OS. I have done a couple of Exchange servers and managed a couple of domain email servers on O365. IIRC, powershell took a bunch of typing. Microsoft makes you jump through hoops to use your own domain name. Best done for security reasons. Exchange can be fussy about ports, requiring receive connectors in our case. Like anything else, once you know how to do it, it is intuitive.
Here is how to do it on a Pi: How to Install an Email Server on your Raspberry Pi? – RaspberryTips[^]
Interesting how folks here like to belittle Linux, I think the majority of Internet servers run Linux. I think Googles stuff, like Android is based from Linux. Desktop? Never close until Chromebooks showed up.
I imagine most of you haters prefer running Windows on your smartphones. 
>64
Some days the dragon wins. Suck it up.
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if its just for testing try hmailserver on a windows 10 or 11 desktop
Caveat Emptor.
"Progress doesn't come from early risers – progress is made by lazy men looking for easier ways to do things." Lazarus Long
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apt-get... ehh... sounds.... old and complicated. 
Isn't there a Docker image you can use?
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Because 99.99% of people who can install Linux and putz around on the command line should not be allowed to run a mail server. Making the learning curve to setting one up a thousand mile high completely smooth cliff face protected by a 100 mile deep minefield and top mounted flame throwers sheathing the entire cliff face in fire is a feature intended to limit the supply of misconfigured mail servers available for spammers to use and to limit the accumulation of IPv4s on never delete spammer blacklists.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, weighing all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
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Interesting - this is almost exactly what it takes to set up an SMTP server on Windows. The only steps I take on Windows that's not on this list is to configure the anti-relay features.
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Because it's "free"?
"Before entering on an understanding, I have meditated for a long time, and have foreseen what might happen. It is not genius which reveals to me suddenly, secretly, what I have to say or to do in a circumstance unexpected by other people; it is reflection, it is meditation." - Napoleon I
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Let's take a stand, even if it costs me my account...
... I don't really care about an account here at the moment and have never cared about it before.
Are we all just an unscrupulous bunch and claim that we are only technicians?
Or do we also stand by basic human values?
If Putin strikes with nuclear wapons I hope he will get a full package back.
Sorry
But the situation in Ukraine bothers me!
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The situation all over the world - and now in Ukraine - bothers me... And I do take a stand... Not here... There are the place for that...
"The only place where Success comes before Work is in the dictionary." Vidal Sassoon, 1928 - 2012
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.. just an unscrupulous bunch of technicians?
Think about it... ww2... 
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When you look at my family tree (back to the early 13th century) there is a big wipe-out at WWII... I can not forget it, believe me... I also live in a place where war is every-day happening... I do have my opinion which I express frequently (in Hebrew)... Still not here...
"The only place where Success comes before Work is in the dictionary." Vidal Sassoon, 1928 - 2012
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This 13th century idiot survived, prolly due to religion just being politics.
Know you talking wipe out, like me explain money lenders; No catholic can ask for interest, but Jews could, and did. There's a popular game based on it.
Don't go politics.
Bastard Programmer from Hell
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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