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Slow Eddie7-Jan-22 2:04

Slow Eddie

7-Jan-22 2:04

Yesterday, the last living WWII veteran died at the age of 112. The World War II museum, in New Orleans, plans to put up a plaque to memorialize him. By all accounts, he was a genuinely nice person.

Member 123532249-Jan-22 23:18

Member 12353224

9-Jan-22 23:18

How do you classify a WWII veteran? I know someone who is a mere 102 who served in the British Navy in WWII.

Jörgen Andersson6-Jan-22 9:42

Jörgen Andersson

6-Jan-22 9:42

So, ghost Your hdd and select a clean install.

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Memtha6-Jan-22 13:33

6-Jan-22 13:33

Upgrade PC so I can install Win 11

Honestly that was your first mistake. I'm a Linux guy.

I can't do a clean install

So what about when (not if) win 11 craps out and you have to start over? Install 10 and then upgrade to 11 again?

OriginalGriff6-Jan-22 19:47

6-Jan-22 19:47

Memtha wrote:
I'm a Linux guy.

I'm sorry to hear that. Have you tried getting a cream from the doctor?

Memtha wrote:
what about when (not if) win 11 craps out and you have to start over?

Restore from backup if it does - Win 10 has been running on this machine pre-upgrade for years and has never once "crapped out". If I recall correctly, it started as Win XP, upgraded to retail Win 7, upgraded to Win 10, upgraded graphics card a couple of times, upgraded to SSD, upgraded the case and PSU, upgraded to a i5 motherboard, now upgraded to an i7 MB - and it still hasn't failed or BSODed once.
That's why I wanted to clean install though - that's a heck of a lot of upgrades and they can leave a lot of mess around over the years.

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Memtha7-Jan-22 3:56

7-Jan-22 3:56

Restore from backup if it does

Yes, assuming that either recovery manager works correctly or windows-controlled bios lets you boot from a foreign installation media.

started as Win XP, upgraded to retail Win 7, upgraded to Win 10

Sounds like you've been lucky. Don't get me wrong, windows can be made to work with some effort, I still have a win 7 dualboot (modified to boot from nvme) for those two applications that don't work correctly in wine or vms. Still, all 5 of the win 10 boxes I have the misfortune of managing for work and family have been afflicted by routine crashes, usually within one week of the initial install. I won't bore you with details. Still, all the windows versions you mentioned are the "good ones"; every other version is stable. No 2k, vista or 8. 11 is the next unstable, especially this early in its lifecycle. I'm calling it right now; your issues are just beginning. Your own experience with an unusable installer should really be a red flag that you should wait at least a few months if not for windows 12 (or w/e they name the next one).

RedDk4-Feb-22 6:31

RedDk

4-Feb-22 6:31

oh, you betcha!

Super Lloyd6-Jan-22 14:53

Super Lloyd

6-Jan-22 14:53

I had similar problems. This PC, 1.5 years old, couldn't run Windows 11. Because of some pdm2 or something hardware security reason.
Simply went into the BIOS and turned it on. And PC Check App told me I was ready to go, but Windows Update kept telling me I couldn't OMG | :OMG:

However.. wait a few days, and then Windows Update finally realized that I could after all! Smile | :)

And it finally came around December 20, I am on Windows 11 now! Smile | :)

Initially I was a little upset with the round corners and the fact that my taskbar is locked at the bottom!
But now I am used to it all, and already bored and waiting for Windows 12! Laugh | :laugh:

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Slow Eddie7-Jan-22 2:11

Slow Eddie

7-Jan-22 2:11

I'll wAIT UNTIL 50,000 OR SO OF YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN RUNNING IT A WHILE And SQUASHED MOST OF THE BUGS OUT.
(not "yelling, just hit the caps lock by mistake). Big Grin | :-D

ed - no, I don't touch type. Frown | :(

Stephen86019-Jan-22 21:43

Stephen8601

9-Jan-22 21:43

Windows 3, 3.1, 3.11 BSODs reined supreme
Windows 95 An improvement
Windows 98 & 98SE Pretty decent
Windows ME Sucked
Windows XP Really Good
Windows Vista Totally sucked
Windows 7 The crowed went wild.
Windows 8 & 8.1 Blurk
Windows 10 Had extremely minimal issues with it.

Windows 11 Dunno yet.

Thierry M9-Jan-22 22:00

Thierry M

9-Jan-22 22:00

Windows 11 is a bit like Windows 8.
I prefer to wait until next Summer when Microsoft will release Windows 11.1 to fix all the beta issues Smile | :)

Peter Adam9-Jan-22 23:54

Peter Adam

9-Jan-22 23:54

Check secure boot in BIOS. DIY machine? Install the default keys in BIOS. Maybe CPU TPM is preferred by W11?

You will not loose anything without W11. It is yet another round of 90+% MS thinks there is something they have to learn from 10-% Apple. Especially on the productivity front. W11 is aesthetic uselessness like OSX is.

OriginalGriff10-Jan-22 0:26

10-Jan-22 0:26

Peter Adam wrote:
You will not loose anything without W11

I know. But ... my Surface auto updated, and since support for Win10 will end in 2025 and I'll have to update before then, this seemed like the perfect time to bit the bullet - a clean install on new hardware!
If I don't do that, then I'll get a Win 10 upgraded to Win11 and I'm trying to avoid that.

Chris Hillman 202110-Jan-22 1:07

Chris Hillman 2021

10-Jan-22 1:07

WHY SOMETIMES?

OriginalGriff10-Jan-22 1:43

10-Jan-22 1:43

Please don't SHOUT.

Because they also produce some of the best software in it's class: Visual Studio and Excel for example are the best IDE and spreadsheet in the world.

Shawn Eary 202110-Jan-22 2:57

Shawn Eary 2021

10-Jan-22 2:57

We should all go back to Windows 8.1...

OriginalGriff10-Jan-22 3:14

10-Jan-22 3:14

Burn the heathen! Laugh | :laugh:

ElectronProgrammer10-Jan-22 5:14

ElectronProgrammer

10-Jan-22 5:14

Hummm... Dejá vu.

That looks exactly what happen to me with windows 10.

Except for the nice "This PC can't run Windows 11" message during install. With me it just went through the install and halfway throw a BSOD with a hard to find code that ultimately translated into a "CPU not supported" message.

Tried after one year and then when windows 7 reached end of support and got the same message even though my system is ok according to my research and the PC Health Check App.

Neither upgrading nor a clean install worked.

So I am stuck with linux and not giving microsoft any more of my money (to renew licenses) whether I want it or not.

Nowadays, the only thing I miss from windows is for gaming. Gaming what I like on linux is not optimal.

Good luck. Hope you manage to upgrade eventually.

sasadler10-Jan-22 6:10

sasadler

10-Jan-22 6:10

When I ran the MS compatibility check program, it told me my PC was compatible with Windows 11. The MS update site however, told me my machine wasn't compatible! After 3 or 4 days the update site decided that yes, my machine actually was compatible. You might just wait a few days and check it again.

Remember when KVMs used to work?

cegarman10-Jan-22 7:43

cegarman

10-Jan-22 7:43

Greetings,

Let see here..
started with DOS 1.1,
then DOS 5.0
Win 3.1
OS/2
Win NT
Win 2K
Red Hat 7.0
Win XP
Linux Mint
Win 7
Win 10...

Managed to skip Win ME And and Vista and Windows 8!!
Running Win 10 now on laptop (CPU is not approved for Win 11) and Desktop (Just not approved CPU and BIOS).. have 2 VM's on the desktop .. one is Linux Mint and the other is Win 98 (for a game)

Going to wait until I have to replace a PC before making a jump into Win 11....also give everyone else a chance to work out the bugs for me ... Smile | :)

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Memtha6-Jan-22 5:32

6-Jan-22 5:32

I was lucky enough to have a few years in the VGA era. 9 vga ports, 18 P/S2 ports, and 8 servers in the same rack are at your fingertips. You plugged it in and it just worked. The worst thing you could get was a slightly blurry screen if a cable was bent or too long. Switching was a painless double-scroll-lock and then a number key. Everything was great.

Then hdmi and display port took over. KVMs got very expensive and very non-functional. I went through 4 KVMs last year totaling about $1k and all have different fundamental flaws. One would freak out, lock up and emit an ear-piercing tone if you ever hit F1 until you rebooted it (nice of them to put a power switch on the front at least). Two would randomly black out or otherwise garble the monitor output when switching ports. My current one (display port) tells the computer that it's connected to that the monitor has been disconnected when switching, so all the windows get repositioned automatically. Tech support blamed the display port standard ("edid") saying it was working as intended, and my company resolved to buy me a third-party window management tool that theoretically repositions my windows to pre-defined locations when the monitor reappears (which only works about 80% of the time). Still, the screen flickers black for about 50 seconds every time I switch.

Where I used to flip to one box for something as trivial as to check the progress of a hour-long restore or whatever or even to check the time on the server that is set to my timezone, I now find myself rearranging my schedule to switch inputs less often and even ssh'ing and rdp'ing between severs because it's faster. I catch myself wishing I had the desk space and capital for a dedicated monitor and keyboard for each box.

/rant

Dan Neely6-Jan-22 8:25

Dan Neely

6-Jan-22 8:25

I've been using this for almost 3 years with no complaints. Only caveat is I'm using it with an older non-4k monitor; but the price difference vs 1920x1200 models wasn't enough to give up being more future proof.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07CPLB6Y1/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Edit: I'm also only using it for single screen systems, so am unsure if it has one of your issues or not.

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modified 6-Jan-22 14:31pm.

Memtha6-Jan-22 11:46

6-Jan-22 11:46

Yeah unfortunately I'm using two monitors, and that brand does not seem to have a dual-head 4-way model. Appreciate the thought though.

Dan Neely6-Jan-22 11:52

Dan Neely

6-Jan-22 11:52

Ok, I didn't realize you were trying to switch both screens. Years earlier I did have a VGA KVM setup that swapped 1 screen off my main system to a secondary one. For progress/status checks - all I ever really needed box 2 to do - it was good enough.