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Near enough , I was looking for atole but I believe it has various spellings YAUT
"Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well-preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside in a cloud of smoke, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming “Wow! What a Ride!" - Hunter S Thompson - RIP
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Are brand names allowed? - COSTA
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Ha ha - nope 
"Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well-preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside in a cloud of smoke, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming “Wow! What a Ride!" - Hunter S Thompson - RIP
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What is your preferred way to back up personal data like photos, videos etc? I am confused between buying a SDD vs using online services like Google Drive/Dropbox. Any suggestions?
Edit - I read SDD are more fragile compared to HDD and I do have disks which have lasted decade or more so even HDD is fine as I do not really care about read write speeds.
Edit 2 - I created another google account to store photos and video back ups there. Meanwhile, if I get a good deal, I will might get an HDD for offline backup. Based on price factor, I would choose between multiple smaller disks over one big one.
"It is easy to decipher extraterrestrial signals after deciphering Javascript and VB6 themselves.", ISanti[ ^]
modified 21-Dec-21 11:58am.
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For code I use GitHub, for documents (pictures, videos and such) I let Google do the backup...
"The only place where Success comes before Work is in the dictionary." Vidal Sassoon, 1928 - 2012
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Are paid services cheaper for long run compared to buying hardware? I have over 15 GB of media and I see that Google and cheapest and most lenient with free storage. Of course I can have multiple free accounts which would then lead to question - what's a good password manager? 
"It is easy to decipher extraterrestrial signals after deciphering Javascript and VB6 themselves.", ISanti[ ^]
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When you buy a piece of hardware you loose any warranty the moment you first use it... and even you do have warrant on the hardware there is no guaranty that you will actually able to retrieve your data...
As I see cloud backup has more chance to be there for the long run, because the annual fee you pay gives you a bit better guaranty without you spending time (and time is money)
"The only place where Success comes before Work is in the dictionary." Vidal Sassoon, 1928 - 2012
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Except that there is no guarantee that the cloud service will be accessible when you want it (see GOV.UK/Amazon/Google outages passim) or that the service won't be shut down in a weeks time and all your data lost.
Even IBM (the largest company in the world at the time) nearly went bust a few years ago.
If the data is important to you, then multiple copies on local storage is the only way to be reasonably sure that when you need that info it will be available. And testing/refreshing the backups too!
Cloud storage is fine as an extra backup, but relying on it totally is just asking for trouble.
BTDTGTTS!
It's been a good few years since SSDs were less reliable than hard-storage. The main difference being that data can sometimes be recovered from failed HDs, less so from failed SSDs as they have different failure mechanisms.
The only known media to last for millenia are some forms of paper, parchment and vellum, and inscribed clay or stone!
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Mike Winiberg wrote: If the data is important to you, then multiple copies on local storage is the only way to be reasonably sure that when you need that info it will be available. And testing/refreshing the backups too!
That's even easier with cloud services. You add in one device, it syncs with all of them, naturally creating already multiple local copies. All you need to do is keep those devices connected and you will always have access to those files. If service gets shutdown, your local copy is already there.
Much better than relying on a manual error prone process of maintaining multiple local copies, which may all be gone if your house catches on fire. Plus, with a service like this you can even keep stuff locally but geographically distant (like the office, or some family member's house) without additional effort.
To alcohol! The cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems - Homer Simpson
Our heads are round so our thoughts can change direction - Francis Picabia
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I'm not saying it isn't useful, and by keeping local copies on the linked devices, then you do effectively get the best of both worlds (and incidentally you are then effectively keeping multiple local backups so your data is both secure and accessible).
However, there is always a single point of failure - and that is the internet connection. If that is off and you don't have local copies, then your data is inaccessible - and where I live the internet is slow and intermittent at best (so much so that I use my mobile to provide connectivity at times, but that isn't suitable for public facing servers). There are many millions of people all over the world (and plenty even in the UK) that do not have reliable access to the internet. Also, even Amazon and Google have major outages occasionally (two this year from memory, so far). Likewise, for other than small end-users, the costs of subscribing to cloud storage are not insignificant.
For individuals, this is not usually a big issue, but for 24/7 businesses that rely on fast network messaging or have high data rates to support (eg trading floors), even a few seconds interruption can cost far more than the base cost of providing local storage etc - ask the LSE about their Monday morning's outage a few years ago due to an untested upgrade roll-out!
There are some very sophisticated systems around these days (eg from EMC) that provide the advantages of cloud but without creating a dependence on being on-line 24/7. I retired recently and one local business I looked after then decided to migrate all their IT activity to the Cloud. On one day in August this year they were unable to sell tickets to their walk-in customers, deal with bookings or email, take card payments etc, all because the local internet backbone suffered an outage. This small business lost many thousands as a result.
So, my - overly verbose! - message. Be careful!
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Well, I wouldn't dare enter the domain of non personal backup in this thread. Scenarios are way too variable, much more complex (even Internet connection is different, via dedicated links) and usually employ multiple fallback mechanisms. When we talk about 24/7 availability and disaster recovery, we are talking way beyond backups and in many occasions Internet is necessary anyway, in which cases there are redundant Internet connectivity infrastructure in place.
Now, back to personal or even small business use, I am all for being safe and save places that Internet is really an issue, which today are concentrade on pockets of African countries, most of the time (I assume) you wouldn't a super reliable Internet. If you get mange to do the initial setup, everything else is incremental. You can configure your cloud storage provider to always maintain a local copy, this way, at worst you get a delayed setup, where backups are incremental and which I also assume, in most cases would be faster than taking physical devices from one place to another to maintain a safe copy of everything.
If Internet is down, the new files or new versions of files will be updated once Internet is back online. To me it's a very easy trade off to make, if my Internet connection is not super reliable. So I get online storage in addition to local copies most of the time, without the hassle and human error factor, plus geo redundancy.
Also, if I am super paranoid, I could copy stuff somewhere else "if" I am working on critical files "and if" there is a major outage (of Internet or cloud providers).
But that to me would be an edge case, for which there are easy workarounds. I'd hate to have my head space occupied with backup procedures.
Obviously each case is a case and there is no one size fits all on this, but I do believe online cloud storage covers most cases in an acceptably reliable way.
To alcohol! The cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems - Homer Simpson
Our heads are round so our thoughts can change direction - Francis Picabia
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To me the convenience alone is already worth the price. I personally like OneDrive, it has ransomware protection, versions all your files, so not only in the event of a ransomware, but also your own mistake, you can go back in time.
Moreover, having these files accessible on multiple devices, just makes everything so much easier. No manual process of backing up stuff, you just go keep on putting stuff there and it syncs.
I use Office364 family eidition, which gives not only me, but 5 other people from my family access to the office suite + 1TB of online storage each.
To alcohol! The cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems - Homer Simpson
Our heads are round so our thoughts can change direction - Francis Picabia
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Depends mostly on how "personal" you want to keep your data.
Google photos hasn't been hacked "properly" to the best of my knowledge (though vulnerabilities have been found in the past, and I'm pretty sure more will surface) you have to remember the iCloud hacks and repeat the mantra "nothing online is actually safe" if you have anything you don't want to be public.
Me? I use a combination of Google Photo, MS Onedrive, and formal backups to air-gapped media - but then I'm paranoid, probably. 
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
"Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt
AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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OriginalGriff wrote: I use a combination of Google Photo, MS Onedrive, and formal backups to air-gapped media - but then I'm paranoid, probably.
That makes it 2. I have photos on Google, google exports on laptop (2 copies on 2 disks), a back up on HDD.
I am tending to go towards online myself.
"It is easy to decipher extraterrestrial signals after deciphering Javascript and VB6 themselves.", ISanti[ ^]
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A good Pendrive up to 3.0 (SanDisk/Samsung-like) with 64/128gb works fine on backup purposes!
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I keep as little as possible online.
My primary off-computer storage is a NAS containing two mirrored disks, to which all computers are backed up weekly. For longer-term storage (photos etc.), I backup to multiple external HDDs (rotating backups, whenever we come back from holiday or celebrate a birthday etc.).
Photos and videos are also copied to good-quality DVDs. These are easier to hand out to elderly relatives than loading everything on Google or some such...
The prices of SSDs are dropping, but for large (2+ TB) disks, they are still much more expensive than HDDs. SSDs are not designed for archival (10+ years) storage, and backups do not need the speed of SSDs.
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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out of curiosity, do you keep those physical media off-site? (e.g. at a relative's home or your office). Multiple backups at home are no good if the home is burgled / flooded / inaccessible. That's why I now primarily use cloud storage for stuff I don't want to lose. (Photos are on a paid sub to Flickr, partly for security and partly to make accessible to others) whilst code is all on Helix version control (subversion simply 'cos that's what I'm used to). Everything else important but not confidential is held on my shared web hosting account, which has "unlimited" storage. The hosting co back it up daily (incl. off-site backups) so hardware failure shouldn't be an issue.
My only problem is that with different things in different places, and a lack of self-discipline, stuff sometimes doesn't get backed up as promptly as it should...
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I keep a backup set at the office, and rotate them.
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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personal files, photos, etc.: google drive
code, similar: github
I don't backup anything to local storage or external local storage, everything is cloud based.
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I have a couple of NAS drives and Cloud.
CI/CD = Continuous Impediment/Continuous Despair
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Repurposed hardware running TrueNAS. Mirrored drives. If system fails, install OS in new hardware, connect the mirrored drives and import the pool. I also have a hardware RAID mirror in my system for shorter term and handy storage. I can mount either in a Linux system if necessary. The TrueNAS system is not on line except for backup.
Burglars? My place is such a mess, they would look around and say "we're too late, already been hit".
>64
If you can keep your head while those about you are losing theirs, perhaps you don't understand the situation.
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lw@zi wrote: I read SDD are more fragile compared to HDD
I've never bought into that. A hard drive's platters rotates at thousands of RPMs with the heads flying less than a hair's thickness above them. Smack it hard enough and you're looking at a disaster.
Whereas there's nothing mechanical inside an SSD; I've dropped some on a hardwood floor and haven't had them show any sign of any problem.
lw@zi wrote: even HDD is fine as I do not really care about read write speeds.
Then there's your answer. For a backup drive, if I/O speed isn't an issue, then IMO a spinner will always win out - until SSDs catch up in terms of price/capacity. Heck, with the money you'll save with a spinner you can buy a spare one, or future-proof and buy extra capacity.
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I should have used better words. I read SDD is temperature sensitive (I am not going to pretend I understand any of this) while HDD is not. Hence reliance on it if I choose it.
"It is easy to decipher extraterrestrial signals after deciphering Javascript and VB6 themselves.", ISanti[ ^]
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lw@zi wrote: I read SDD is temperature sensitive (I am not going to pretend I understand any of this) while HDD is not
"To what extent" would be my question. I have a NUC whose CPU has reached 100C a number of times (until I blew the dust out of it) - high enough to make the system shut itself down in a self-preservation attempt.
NUCs are compact, very tight inside, have a tiny fan and very little airflow. The SSD inside of it hasn't shown any sign of any problem.
Besides, if it's only going to be powered on when doing backups (as opposed to 24/7/365)...are you really that concerned about it running hot?
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If you are really concerned, get a DVD read write drive and put them on there.
Moist Von Lipwig
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