Click here to Skip to main content
15,892,005 members

Welcome to the Lounge

   

For discussing anything related to a software developer's life but is not for programming questions. Got a programming question?

The Lounge is rated Safe For Work. If you're about to post something inappropriate for a shared office environment, then don't post it. No ads, no abuse, and no programming questions. Trolling, (political, climate, religious or whatever) will result in your account being removed.

 
QuestionRe: Winter is coming... Pin
RickZeeland7-Dec-21 9:50
mveRickZeeland7-Dec-21 9:50 
AnswerRe: Winter is coming... Pin
Southmountain8-Dec-21 5:46
Southmountain8-Dec-21 5:46 
GeneralRe: Winter is coming... Pin
Southmountain8-Dec-21 5:45
Southmountain8-Dec-21 5:45 
GeneralCCC 07-12-2021 Pin
pkfox6-Dec-21 21:52
professionalpkfox6-Dec-21 21:52 
GeneralRe: CCC 07-12-2021 Pin
Peter_in_27806-Dec-21 22:06
professionalPeter_in_27806-Dec-21 22:06 
GeneralRe: CCC 07-12-2021 Pin
pkfox6-Dec-21 22:12
professionalpkfox6-Dec-21 22:12 
GeneralNew way of firing employees Pin
Amarnath S6-Dec-21 20:39
professionalAmarnath S6-Dec-21 20:39 
GeneralRe: New way of firing employees Pin
NeverJustHere6-Dec-21 20:55
NeverJustHere6-Dec-21 20:55 
the article says this would be illegal in the UK. I know it would also be illegal in NZ, Aus, France, and I suspect most of the rest of the developed world.

American employment contracts are 'at will' contracts. They are at the will of the employer, and should the employer change their mind, you can be shown the door, with just your 2 weeks notice.

I lived and worked in the States for 3 years. The impact on employee behaviour is profound. It creates a cover your ass, finger pointing culture where no employee is willing to accept accountability, an will go to great lengths to apportion blame elsewhere.

Now, I only worked for one company (but it was a biggish publicly listed one), and I'm sure not all are like this.

I did very well, with two things I did differently than my American colleagues (not that I did them deliberately to be different, but it took me a while to realise I was an outlier).

I was prepared to say "I don't know" and I was prepare to say "I made a mistake and here's how we recover...". American employees would go out of their way to avoid these, for fear of being shown the front door.

It also contributes to the always available, never take leave attitude.

One of our competitors had a policy of ranking all developers and firing the lowest 5% each quarter - they were continually hiring as a result, I guess the aim being to end up with a greater developer pool.

It saddens me that so many American's are so proud of America and believe they are in the greatest country on earth. So many of them simply have no idea.
GeneralRe: New way of firing employees Pin
Vivi Chellappa6-Dec-21 22:30
professionalVivi Chellappa6-Dec-21 22:30 
GeneralRe: New way of firing employees Pin
NeverJustHere6-Dec-21 23:02
NeverJustHere6-Dec-21 23:02 
GeneralRe: New way of firing employees Pin
Mycroft Holmes7-Dec-21 11:53
professionalMycroft Holmes7-Dec-21 11:53 
GeneralRe: New way of firing employees Pin
OriginalGriff6-Dec-21 21:09
mveOriginalGriff6-Dec-21 21:09 
GeneralRe: New way of firing employees Pin
Daniel Pfeffer6-Dec-21 23:17
professionalDaniel Pfeffer6-Dec-21 23:17 
GeneralRe: New way of firing employees Pin
  Forogar  7-Dec-21 2:34
professional  Forogar  7-Dec-21 2:34 
GeneralRe: New way of firing employees Pin
Sander Rossel7-Dec-21 0:26
professionalSander Rossel7-Dec-21 0:26 
GeneralRe: New way of firing employees Pin
CodeWraith7-Dec-21 0:40
CodeWraith7-Dec-21 0:40 
GeneralRe: New way of firing employees Pin
Daniel Pfeffer7-Dec-21 2:33
professionalDaniel Pfeffer7-Dec-21 2:33 
GeneralRe: New way of firing employees Pin
CodeWraith7-Dec-21 3:06
CodeWraith7-Dec-21 3:06 
GeneralElon Musk may not be who I thought he was Pin
BernardIE53176-Dec-21 11:47
BernardIE53176-Dec-21 11:47 
GeneralRe: Elon Musk may not be who I thought he was PinPopular
Dave Kreskowiak6-Dec-21 12:15
mveDave Kreskowiak6-Dec-21 12:15 
GeneralRe: Elon Musk may not be who I thought he was PinPopular
honey the codewitch6-Dec-21 12:22
mvahoney the codewitch6-Dec-21 12:22 
GeneralRe: Elon Musk may not be who I thought he was Pin
Super Lloyd6-Dec-21 17:06
Super Lloyd6-Dec-21 17:06 
GeneralRe: Elon Musk may not be who I thought he was Pin
Leo5619-Jan-22 21:29
Leo5619-Jan-22 21:29 
GeneralRe: Elon Musk may not be who I thought he was Pin
Randor 6-Dec-21 12:47
professional Randor 6-Dec-21 12:47 
GeneralRe: Elon Musk may not be who I thought he was Pin
  Forogar  7-Dec-21 2:36
professional  Forogar  7-Dec-21 2:36 

General General    News News    Suggestion Suggestion    Question Question    Bug Bug    Answer Answer    Joke Joke    Praise Praise    Rant Rant    Admin Admin   

Use Ctrl+Left/Right to switch messages, Ctrl+Up/Down to switch threads, Ctrl+Shift+Left/Right to switch pages.