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Super Lloyd4-Dec-21 23:21

4-Dec-21 23:21

I contemplated this...
I think I might go with popup panel after.. I realized this afternoon they don't auto close like menu items do, it's up to me! I think that's a winner! Blush | :O

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RickZeeland4-Dec-21 23:41

RickZeeland

4-Dec-21 23:41

And to confuse the user further: add lots of configuration options!
$Shucks | :-\$

charlieg5-Dec-21 1:15

charlieg

5-Dec-21 1:15

Having dealt with interfaces that were far too complex, I would ask yourself, what am I going to use on a regular basis? The list you come up with is your primary property page. Then there is the Advanced... button.

As for the color picker, I'm not sure my suggestion is doable.

I have long been an advocate to adding code all UIs to track over time what is being used and what is not. I'd love to see the metrics on something like Word or Excel... I'd wager 95% of what is in there is rarely if ever used.

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Has never been more appropriate.

Super Lloyd5-Dec-21 3:34

5-Dec-21 3:34

mm.. interesting. will see if i can do something like that...
the color picker is super easy to use in fact, mouse down on the icon, the cursor turn into a magnify glass, move the mouse (while the button is still pressed) on a pretty part of your desktop screen, release, done, color selected!!

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Gerry Schmitz5-Dec-21 7:46

Gerry Schmitz

5-Dec-21 7:46

Paint.NET has a hideable "on top" Color window that you can drag onto another monitor which is usually what I wind up doing so it's useful; at least for me.

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RickZeeland5-Dec-21 10:01

RickZeeland

5-Dec-21 10:01

For some reason I read "Pain.NET" maybe its time for new glasses $Shucks | :-\$

Super Lloyd5-Dec-21 11:45

5-Dec-21 11:45

yeah.. the idea crossed my mind..
I think.. I'll be starting with a popup.. that can be "pinned" into a dialog just like that one Smile | :)

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BillWoodruff5-Dec-21 15:53

5-Dec-21 15:53

Looks very interesting !

I'd favor a separate window/form for really complex tool ui's ... let the user move it where they want it, move it to another monitor, resize it to taste, etc.

Since certain subsets of "specialized" tools ... tools whose icons you may wish to not always be visible ... may be used frequently in a given workflow, consider:

1) configure/reorder menus
2) or, define custom tool palettes
3) or, use a "shelf" ui as found in NeXtStep [^]

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Super Lloyd5-Dec-21 16:47

5-Dec-21 16:47

Thanks Bill! Smile | :)

I am using the screen color picker from NeXT. I really liked that OS! Smile | :)

(was using at uni during my never completed Physics PhD)
But I forgot most it, you just refreshed bit of my memory Smile | :)

However your comment, which I might have reinterpreted of having a single "advanced editor" window, which display the various exiting advanced editor for every type (one at a time), with a shelf of favorite values, is an interesting idea... I will give it some thoughts...

[EDIT]
In fact.. after some thoughts.. you nailed it! Smile | :)

I am going to add another side/tool panel (with bookmarks, and map settings) which is "Editor", where you can pick any advanced editor (so far texture and color) and edit value and update favorites.

Favorites which could be reused in the popup (contextual) editor like in the second screenshot!

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modified 5-Dec-21 22:58pm.

BillWoodruff5-Dec-21 17:49

5-Dec-21 17:49

Glad you found some flesh on those bones Smile | :)

i really like UI's that let me define/edit (size, location, opacity) the visible tools at any one moment in time. ... duhhh ... come to think of it ... damn if i can remember one app that does that exactly the way i want Confused | :confused:

i don't like ... menus in general WTF | :WTF:

bill the curmudgeon

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Super Lloyd5-Dec-21 18:04

5-Dec-21 18:04

It's hard problem...
on one hand, one keeps piling up an infinite amount of tools, properties, functionality,...
on the other hand, one wants a slick, simple and intuitive UI! Laugh | :laugh:

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BillWoodruff5-Dec-21 19:03

5-Dec-21 19:03

one approach is user-defined ui's (themes, or modes, as you will).

issue of "piling up an infinite amount" ? imho, a data structure containing a list of visible ui elements, etc., and their visual/size/location, etc., properties, is practical.

let's say ... when i create a new document, i can choose from one of my previously saved themes, or open with the default theme.

from there:

1) open a theme editor app, and let me create, save, modify, etc.

2) or, let me save the current ui config as a new theme ... of course that implies the user can modify ui element visibility as they work on a document. in the case of using docking windows, or, tear off tool palettes ... that's present.

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Super Lloyd5-Dec-21 22:25

5-Dec-21 22:25

sorry.. I am not in the mind to have customizable UI like Word or Excel (yet)
but hey.. you can load and save favorite all at once. so you can have multiple favorites and load the one for the job! Wink | ;)

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BillWoodruff6-Dec-21 1:19

6-Dec-21 1:19

Super Lloyd wrote:
I am not in the mind to have customizable UI like Word or Excel (yet)

That's interesting: how do you see those Office apps as customizable ?

Also, not clear what "favorite" means in terms of your app.

And, now, since you reject me, i'm going to have to withdraw my one-time-only, unbelievably generous, offer to sell you an infinitely customizable UI at a price you'll never see again, and, also to cancel buying you a beer when you visit Chiang Mai next time Sniff | :^)

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Super Lloyd6-Dec-21 12:01

6-Dec-21 12:01

BillWoodruff wrote:
That's interesting: how do you see those Office apps as customizable ?

Well.. they are a "little" customizable. As in you can add you favorite commands buttons to the title bar.

BillWoodruff wrote:
Also, not clear what "favorite" means in terms of your app.

you can save your favorite colors or brishes in a favorite list. You can save and load favoirites lists depending on your work. And also your current favorite list is the first thing displayed at the top of the color / texture / object editor.

BillWoodruff wrote:
And, now, since you reject me, i'm going to have to withdraw my one-time-only, unbelievably generous, offer to sell you an infinitely customizable UI at a price you'll never see again, and, also to cancel buying you a beer when you visit Chiang Mai next time

Oh noooooooooooooo Frown | :(

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BernardIE531722-Dec-21 16:35

BernardIE5317

22-Dec-21 16:35

dnGREP has a very nice feature Perhaps it is the kind you were referring to re/ the option to pin I mention it here because I am enthralled by it and may quite probably utilize it in a future project and perhaps may be useful to yourself dnGREP displays the source file of found matches in a docked right pane That pane has an NE pointing arrow in its' top right corner Whilst clicking upon said arrow the pane becomes floating It too has an arrow in the same top right corner this time pointing SE which of course re-docks it back to its' original location - Cheerio

Super Lloyd22-Dec-21 16:37

any experience to install this kind of Windows server 2019 system?

22-Dec-21 16:37

sounds interesting, thanks! Smile | :)

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What a relief

honey the codewitch4-Dec-21 10:05

honey the codewitch

4-Dec-21 10:05

It took most of the day between repeated merge conflicts and C++ linker weirdness coupled with toolchain weirdness but I got GFX and the GFX Demo project updated at github.

That's a huge weight off my mind. Whenever I have something that I know is being used that I also know has problems it eats at me.

Now that I've identified and fixed (I hope) all the potential issues, and reposted the massive updates I feel so much better about today.

This was the mountain of code I mentioned the other day. As far as maintaining it, that tiger has successfully been grabbed by the tail.

I even updated the esp32 subreddit with my changes.

I don't know if any of you get that gnawing concern over broken source, even if it's only broken for certain scenarios, but once I've published an article about something, if I know something has been wrong with it this whole time it puts me on edge.

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Southmountain4-Dec-21 8:56

Re: any experience to install this kind of Windows server 2019 system?

4-Dec-21 8:56

I bought this Windows Server STD 2019 16-core system, but not sure how to install it.
I plan to install this onto my Dell T5810 workstation with 6 cores.

Is there any difference than installing retail version of Windows Server STD 2019?

any experience or suggestion to share?

diligent hands rule....

Eddy Vluggen4-Dec-21 10:54

Eddy Vluggen

4-Dec-21 10:54

Have you tried not to use a condom?

You boot from CD or USB and follow instructions. If you asking because you a SysOp, then please, RTFM.

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Re: any experience to install this kind of Windows server 2019 system?

Southmountain4-Dec-21 11:37

Re: any experience to install this kind of Windows server 2019 system?

4-Dec-21 11:37

I will try install it directly. but it seems like related with OEM version, so I am not sure if it is correct way to do it...

diligent hands rule....

Eddy Vluggen4-Dec-21 13:19

Eddy Vluggen

4-Dec-21 13:19

Please post the name of your company? Smile | :)

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Re: any experience to install this kind of Windows server 2019 system?

Southmountain4-Dec-21 16:11

Re: any experience to install this kind of Windows server 2019 system?

4-Dec-21 16:11

this is for my personal hobby and I am a developer guy, not good at hardware and OS installation. I got this copy from eBay.

diligent hands rule....

Eddy Vluggen5-Dec-21 16:16

Eddy Vluggen

5-Dec-21 16:16

Did you consider booting and following instructions?

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Re: any experience to install this kind of Windows server 2019 system?

Southmountain5-Dec-21 17:40