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honey the codewitch wrote: In fact, I sort of gauge success as how much of your life you can go through without wearing them.
I must disagree. Most (all?) of the events at which the successful are to be found are not clothing-optional.
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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I try to get dressed everyday.
I live in a small apartment, my desk is in my living room.
There's a mental/physical barrier that I need to put up everyday between home and work.
Getting dressed is one of them; I get dressed in the morning, and change to PJs after work.
CI/CD = Continuous Impediment/Continuous Despair
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Dang, you must live in a warm climate 🥶
That said, I cycle to the office every day and last week I caught rain in about the last 500 meters.
My pants were totally soaked.
Cold, wet... At the office.
Thing is, I was alone and it looked like no one was going to use the meeting room next to me, so I took off my pants and put them on the heater to dry.
I've been sitting there, pantless at the office, for about two hours.
And just when I put them on again someone came in to use the meeting room.
Dodged a bullet there, or at least a sexual harassment claim 
Anyway, pantless at the office, top of the foodchain material right there 
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Sander Rossel wrote: Dang, you must live in a warm climate
I do. My house. =) But seriously, I'm not the most successful person out there. You can tell because where I live, it rains all the time.
I'm glad you didn't get a sexual harassment claim against you. That would have been awkward. Not just at the job, but that sounds like the kind of thing your friends will keep bringing up to embarrass you. 
Real programmers use butterflies
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Sander Rossel wrote: you must live in a warm climate
Far North Queensland - shorts but mostly a sarong. Since retirement long pants have not seen the light of day.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity -
RAH
I'm old. I know stuff - JSOP
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Interesting to know of a white Australian wearing lungis/sarongs - picked up the habit from your time in SE Asia?
Just you or is it common elsewhere in Aussieland?
Cheers,
Vikram.
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Vikram A Punathambekar wrote: picked up the habit from your time in SE Asia
Yes - although I have influenced a number of people to wear them.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity -
RAH
I'm old. I know stuff - JSOP
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- Pack some spares in a dry bag.
2.
put a sign outside.
Zoom meeting in Progress.
Knock twice firmly and give us one minute to wrap up.
Once you hear the knock start talking real loud until you are zipped up.
“Good meetin, I think we made some progress…
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So we are born successful and it's downhill from there.
I will test your theory today by getting drive-thru lunch without pants. If I feel successful, I may try lunch as a walk-in customer tomorrow.
The sign on the door says, "No shirt, no shoes, no service." It seems they are making an allowance for the successful. I never knew!
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Hi All,
When writing a CV I have always stuck to Experience, Qualifications & Skills. My thinking is my Experience details what I have done for how long & where, My qualifications detail what bits of paper I got when & Skills what I can do. Now I get people telling me I need to detail spefic things (for instance a chip change I was involved in) how many suppliers and 'stake holders' ( ) How I managed various things. I was of the opinion and it has alway born out these are questions that are ask in face to face interviews rather than CV. If I took the approach they want I would rewrite my CV for every application... thoughs please...
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glennPattonInThePub3 wrote: If I took the approach they want I would rewrite my CV for every application
Back in the day ...
When I sent out CV's, then yes - I rewrote the CV for every application, enhancing relevant experience and reducing irrelevant.
A CV is all about "catching the eye" and looking like a close to perfect fit for the job in order to get the interview where you can shine!
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
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If you know what the company wants I can do that if it's a 'Blah, Blah, Interfacing' role It can be hard to work whats wanted and what will get it in the bin, also
Quote: • You will have the ability to bring complex systems together into an integrated platform, with a knowledge of interfaces
• You will demonstrate an understanding of technical risk analysis and risk based decision making, and the principals of engineering management
• You will have experience working with suppliers, contractors, subject matter experts and/or stakeholders
There is a big chunk of my experience that is basically that, also the example I can think of for the risk analysis section is a bit technical (change to an Elan BGA from a TI part (DIP layout) meaning the costs of a board respin and a load of unused TI chips) how can that be put with ease in a way that can be understood if you are not of a technical background...
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I was on a "back to work" course some years ago where this subject was discussed at length. The key point the instructors made was that there must be enough information on the first page to pique the interest of the recruiter. So get the basics of skills and experience there, with a note about detailed explanations on pages 2 to the end. Most managers skim read the first page and if it does not contain the answers to their basic questions it goes straight in the bin.
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As a hiring manager, if I see a CV that's more than two or three pages long I put it at the bottom of my pile to read.
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As a hiring manager, do you read cover letters/emails?
I was taught to use the cover letter as the teaser to get the resume read, pointing out specific things in the resume that apply specifically to the job applied for.
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If there are cover letters, they never make it to my desk. I only see a resume. I like to see a summary of skills, then listing of where you've worked & kinds of projects. I'm generally looking for embedded skills, because it's easier to learn Windows programming starting from that than to work with embedded constraints if all you've worked on is database projects (for example). I like to see clues that you can read a data sheet, use a soldering iron and 'scope, etc.
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What they really want to see:
Replaced x with y, which saved the company z dollars
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Also I was told ( by a recruitment agent ) if you are submitting a CV to one of the online guys to include your buzzwords dozens of times in a very small white font - the naked eye can't see them but their scanning software can
"Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well-preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside in a cloud of smoke, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming “Wow! What a Ride!" - Hunter S Thompson - RIP
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I don't know if this is odd, or not, but 'back in the day' when I recruited people, (permies), I was always interested to see what their interests and hobbies were! Yes, I was looking for a person capable of doing the job - but what someone does in their spare time can tell you quite a lot about a person. Also, discussing their interests at the beginning of an interview was a good way to help them relax.
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I was told to take off that section by an 'expert' one job I got was because I play Bass and my boss could tell from that I was used to explaining complex things very quickly and simply...
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I once spent the first 15 minutes of an interview chatting about favourite guitars and guitarists with a candidate. Even though we disagreed, (he was a Les Paul fan and I'm a Strat lover), he got the job - and he was a great hire.
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glennPattonInThePub3 wrote: because I play Bass and my boss could tell from that I was used to explaining complex things very quickly and simply...
Seems like bit of a stretch, were you transcribing the likes of Niels-Henning Ørsted Pedersen or Jaco Pastorius? Seriously though, a lot of the engineers that I know play instruments, so I see see it as a plus to include on a CV.
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I've been asked to go through a pile of resumes myself, and frankly interests and hobbies are just filler that work against you. Remember that you typically aren't the only person applying for a job, and if I have 20 resumes to go through, I will absolutely not be reading every single last word on an 8-page resume - so interests and hobbies will be ignored anyway. If someone's really interested, it'll come up during an actual interview.
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This is probably not the answer you're looking for, but...
I never put a lot of effort into making one. I just sort of threw something together and kept adding to it. As far as skills, I'd have never gone into the detail being asked of you.
At one point I thought I should get some professional help with it, but I realized that the best jobs I've ever had were started with a handshake rather than a document exchange.
Furthermore, I've found that I prefer to work in places where you have to demonstrate your skillset during an interview. It keeps the team solid. It also gives me an opportunity to show what I can do where I can't do so on paper in terms of my education.
These days, my portfolio is what I use to sell myself. My codeproject profile, my github profile, and my client list. I've found all of my current jobs that way.
But that's me, and I've taken kind of a weird arc through software development. YMMV.
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