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Humans: "Hey! Let's keep partying until we suck every last drop out of this planet."
Mother Nature: "Last orders gentlemen." 
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Mother nature will win sooner or later I think. With or without us 
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0x01AA wrote: Mother nature will win sooner or later I think. With or without us
Specially without us.
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Makes sense 
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The weird thing is that it's not "persistence" or "cunning" at all: the sheer number of new hosts - us - means it breeds like crazy, and that means it mutates like crazy.
To knock it down to the level of flu or even a cold, all we have to do is reduce the number of hosts to an absolute minimum - that's what vaccines, lockdowns, masks, handwashing is all about ... get it down to that and it mutates more slowly because it breeds more slowly and the impression of cunning vanishes.
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Only to emphasize again (for everybody who feels to be save because of vac): If you are vaccinated you can still be the host. Vaccination is only an -important- part of many measures that you mentioned.
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And being unvaccinated is just prolonging the disruption ... somewhat antisocial I feel.
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But let's not forget that many parts of the world don't have sufficient vaccines yet. Like South Africa for instance. We are in a very privileged position - where we actually get to choose. It's quite generous to use the word "antisocial" when describing those who have a choice and decline. 
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South Africa does not have a shortage of vaccines. Only a shortage of people willing to get vaccinated.
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"Somewhat antisocial" were not the words going through my mind when I wrote that ... 
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OriginalGriff wrote: "Somewhat antisocial" were not the words going through my mind when I wrote that ...
That's why I translated it mentally to many other more appropiated nouns and adjectives.
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It's quite antisocial of you to not respect people's choices not to get vaccinated.
People have many reasons not to get vaccinated, and while they may not sound so good to you, they are very valid for the people who make the decision.
Some people are as afraid of the vaccin as you are of the disease.
I recently got my second one, but only because I'm not feeling much for being completely shut out without a vaccination because I'm at risk of vaccinated people spreading this disease.
For some reason, me being able to say "look, I have a test and it came out negative" means less (and soon even nothing) than "I'm vaccinated, but there's a good chance I have it anyway"
What's more is that I'm young and healthy, not in any risk group, and almost my entire family had it without much issues.
There's, what, less than 1% chance I'll end up in the hospital, maybe even something like 0.1%?
I've felt bad for two days during this entire pandemic and both came from the vaccination.
It's mostly old people that get sick so they tell younger people to go in lockdown, wear masks, not visit their friends and then to get vaccinated, and call them names if they're not really up for all of that.
And meanwhile, most of us young people just go with it because we care about our elderly and our medical staff.
If there's one thing I've learned (or verified, really) from this pandemic is that people, vaccinated or not, are a bunch of antisocial assholes.
Unfortunately, there's no vaccination for that 
So next time you meet an unvaccinated person, instead of calling them antisocial you could ask them about their motives and/or just shut the hell up about their decision that involves injecting chemicals into their body.
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Please look at my original post. Do I say anything about refusing to get a jab being "anti-social"? Nope. In fact, do I say anything about vaccines? Nope. In a later post, I actually point out, that in some countries, (because of the lack of supply), people don't even have a choice. And I completely understand that the the vaccine is not viable for everyone.
Whilst I may agree with the sentiments expressed about people not getting vaccinated, I am not the "anti-social" author. You need to go back up the thread a bit.
I think the strongest argument for getting as many as possible vaccinated, is it reduces the 'opportunity' for mutations. We are obviously still in the dark about the threat from Omicron - and it could be it's a big panic about nothing. But in the worst case scenario, it could take us back to square one - with a virus that is highly infectious and not defeated by the current vaccines. That "what if" is both frightening and depressing and I can understand why terms like "anti-social" might be used. But, just to re-iterate: it wasn't me what did it - officer! 
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You said "It's quite generous to use the word "antisocial" when describing those who have a choice and decline."
Not sure how else I should interpret this as "those who don't vaccinate are antisocial and worse" 
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Yes, I did say that. But it's also absolutely clear from my original post, that having a go at people who are unvaccinated, was not my agenda. And, in hindsight, all it did was contribute to the discussion heading off on a tangent. So, maybe I shouldn't have commented - but....
... If you object to the use of the word "antisocial", why not take it up with guy that said it? I'm confused!
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5teveH wrote: But it's also absolutely clear from my original post, that having a go at people who are unvaccinated, was not my agenda.
It was clear to me you only wanted to have a go at people who are unvaccinated by choice, at least in your reply to OG, not in your original one 
In hindsight, you may have just nuanced OG's post a bit.
5teveH wrote: If you object to the use of the word "antisocial", why not take it up with guy that said it? I'm confused!
Already had the discussion with @OriginalGriff and he can now read this one too 
Anyway, no hurt feelings.
Just wanted to remind people to be kind to each other, even if you don't agree with their personal choices (and that definitely goes both ways).
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Sander Rossel wrote: "It's quite generous to use the word "antisocial" when describing those who have a choice and decline."
I don't think antisocial is right because of many reasons already discussed in the thread. I just go for something more personal like "plain dumb" for them. I yes, I allow myself to be a bit harsh with the topic because my brother was one of those having the choice and don't wanting it (no medical reasons, no fear, nothing... just don't beliving in it)
and he passed away last week.
Guess why?
He died from COVID. Leaving a devastated 14 years old daughter behind him.
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modified 30-Nov-21 10:07am.
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My condolences.
My grandpa pretty much died the same way (although his children are quite a bit older).
However, not everyone is your brother.
People make choices and suffer the consequences.
Point is, if your brother had lived and all would be fine, you would probably say "I understand his choice."
And the fact of the matter is that way more people have lived and are fine than are not.
I'm sorry your brother belonged in that last category.
I hope you and your family, and his, find a way to deal with his loss, especially his daughter.
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That is what I have been telling people here at home since they declared this a pandemic last year.
The higher the number of people contaminated, the higher the probability of mutations (exponential growth). And with the increase of mutations the higher the probability of getting one that is even more dangerous.
And that the vaccine is not a cure, only protects the vaccinated and is not 100% effective at that.
Yet, I keep seeing people without mask laughing/insulting/beating others (like me) for wearing a mask all the time on the street (I wear it because you never know if someone is around the corner).
This week, an unvaccinated guy went into a store without mask and, when an employee called him to tell him that he had to wear a mask, the guy physically beat the employee who had to be transported to the hospital  . This is madness.
Just two hours ago, in the dinner time news, an expert in infectious diseases said they were tracking 30 new variants that are worst than the Delta variant  . If true, this will be a bleak Christmas and a poor 2022.
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Let's hope the current vaccines are up to the task.
We have, in the Québec province (like everywhere) an increase of new cases (*) , but it does not yet have an impact on new hospitalizations and deaths, but that usually comes a couple of weeks later. 
We currently have 180,000-ish kids between 5-11 already registered to get vaccinated for their first dose since the vaccine was available for them.
(*) Most new cases are kids under 12 and unvaccinated adults.
CI/CD = Continuous Impediment/Continuous Despair
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The longer this COVID-19 problem persists, the more I think that this was purposely created to spread rapidly and to avoid vaccines created by any of the current vaccine technologies. I do not know if this was an attempt at a bioweapon, a mad scientist's revenge, an accident or something else.
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Given enough time, anything is possible. In this case, it's a continuous parade of variants because it's "not real"; as per the informed, reasonable and un-vaccinated.
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Gerry Schmitz wrote: Given enough time, anything is possible.
Not sure what you were thinking when you wrote your message, but this sentence can be used in both directions and I really am not sure which one you are referring and even less sure which one will get "possible".
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That'd be bad news and good news at the same time?
Good; because more Covid variations means they'll compete.
Bad; it would mean Covid is the next flu.
Very bad even. We are in the middle of a very aging population and a declining workforce. We'd need more inflation for that.
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